Paul Haggis To Scientology: I Quit This Bitch!!!!
Tommy Girl's Scientolohole must be screaming into a bowl of ice cream this morning, because his Church of Aliens has lost a famous member. Paul Haggis (the Oscar-winning director of Crash) has spit out the barley, turned in his foil cap and delivered a giant "fuck you" to L. Ron Hubbard. After being a member for 35 years, Paul is leaving the crazy, because he's sick of their constant gay bashing and for denying the "disconnect policy" which states that Scientologists have to cut off bitches who don't believe that thetans live inside our pores (or something).
Paul addressed the letter to the Church of Scientology's insane spokesalien Tommy Davis (son of Anne Archer). Paul states that he was very vocal about his disappointment with Scientology's support of Prop 8. Paul also mentions an interview Tommy Davis gave to CNN where he denied that existence of the "disconnect policy." This made Paul's nipples burn with anger, because his own wife was forced to say "peace out" to her parents after they left the alien-loving cult.
The letter, which was originally published on Mark Rathbun's site, is after the jump. It pretty much speaks for itself. I don't think Paul deserved an Oscar for Crash, but he definitely deserves one for this letter, so we're even now. And how much do you want to make a bet that Tommy Girl is now calling Paul Haggis "Paul Faggis."? Tommy is a master at insults! JUMP!!!
" Tommy,
As you know, for ten months now I have been writing to ask you to make a public statement denouncing the actions of the Church of Scientology of San Diego. Their public sponsorship of Proposition 8, a hate-filled legislation that succeeded in taking away the civil rights of gay and lesbian citizens of California – rights that were granted them by the Supreme Court of our state – shames us.
I called and wrote and implored you, as the official spokesman of the church, to condemn their actions. I told you I could not, in good conscience, be a member of an organization where gay-bashing was tolerated.
In that first conversation, back at the end of October of last year, you told me you were horrified, that you would get to the bottom of it and "heads would roll." You promised action. Ten months passed. No action was forthcoming. The best you offered was a weak and carefully worded press release, which praised the church's human rights record and took no responsibility. Even that, you decided not to publish.
The church's refusal to denounce the actions of these bigots, hypocrites and homophobes is cowardly. I can think of no other word. Silence is consent, Tommy. I refuse to consent.
I joined the Church of Scientology thirty-five years ago. During my twenties and early thirties I studied and received a great deal of counseling. While I have not been an active member for many years, I found much of what I learned to be very helpful, and I still apply it in my daily life. I have never pretended to be the best Scientologist, but I openly and vigorously defended the church whenever it was criticized, as I railed against the kind of intolerance that I believed was directed against it. I had my disagreements, but I dealt with them internally. I saw the organization – with all its warts, growing pains and problems – as an underdog. And I have always had a thing for underdogs.
But I reached a point several weeks ago where I no longer knew what to think. You had allowed our name to be allied with the worst elements of the Christian Right. In order to contain a potential "PR flap" you allowed our sponsorship of Proposition 8 to stand. Despite all the church's words about promoting freedom and human rights, its name is now in the public record alongside those who promote bigotry and intolerance, homophobia and fear.
The fact that the Mormon Church drew all the fire, that no one noticed, doesn't matter. I noticed. And I felt sick. I wondered how the church could, in good conscience, through the action of a few and then the inaction of its leadership, support a bill that strips a group of its civil rights.
This was my state of mind when I was online doing research and chanced upon an interview clip with you on CNN. The interview lasted maybe ten minutes – it was just you and the newscaster. And in it I saw you deny the church's policy of disconnection. You said straight-out there was no such policy, that it did not exist.
I was shocked. We all know this policy exists. I didn't have to search for verification – I didn't have to look any further than my own home.
You might recall that my wife was ordered to disconnect from her parents because of something absolutely trivial they supposedly did twenty-five years ago when they resigned from the church. This is a lovely retired couple, never said a negative word about Scientology to me or anyone else I know – hardly raving maniacs or enemies of the church. In fact it was they who introduced my wife to Scientology.
Although it caused her terrible personal pain, my wife broke off all contact with them. I refused to do so. I've never been good at following orders, especially when I find them morally reprehensible.
For a year and a half, despite her protestations, my wife did not speak to her parents and they had limited access to their grandchild. It was a terrible time.
That's not ancient history, Tommy. It was a year ago.
And you could laugh at the question as if it was a joke? You could publicly state that it doesn't exist?
To see you lie so easily, I am afraid I had to ask myself: what else are you lying about?
And that is when I read the recent articles in the St. Petersburg Times. They left me dumbstruck and horrified.
These were not the claims made by "outsiders" looking to dig up dirt against us. These accusations were made by top international executives who had devoted most of their lives to the church. Say what you will about them now, these were staunch defenders of the church, including Mike Rinder, the church's official spokesman for 20 years!
Tommy, if only a fraction of these accusations are true, we are talking about serious, indefensible human and civil rights violations. It is still hard for me to believe. But given how many former top-level executives have said these things are true, it is hard to believe it is all lies.
"...the same face that denied the policy of disconnection"
And when I pictured you assuring me that it is all lies, that this is nothing but an unfounded and vicious attack by a group of disgruntled employees, I am afraid that I saw the same face that looked in the camera and denied the policy of disconnection. I heard the same voice that professed outrage at our support of Proposition 8, who promised to correct it, and did nothing.
I carefully read all of your rebuttals, I watched every video where you presented the church's position, I listened to all your arguments – ever word. I wish I could tell you that they rang true. But they didn't.
I was left feeling outraged, and frankly, more than a little stupid.
And though it may seem small by comparison, I was truly disturbed to see you provide private details from confessionals to the press in an attempt to embarrass and discredit the executives who spoke out. A priest would go to jail before revealing secrets from the confessional, no matter what the cost to himself or his church. That's the kind of integrity I thought we had, but obviously the standard in this church is far lower – the public relations representative can reveal secrets to the press if the management feels justified. You even felt free to publish secrets from the confessional in Freedom Magazine – you just stopped short of labeling them as such, probably because you knew Scientologists would be horrified, knowing you so easily broke a sacred vow of trust with your parishioners.
How dare you use private information in order to label someone an "adulteress?" You took Amy Scobee's most intimate admissions about her sexual life and passed them onto the press and then smeared them all over the pages your newsletter! I do not know the woman, but no matter what she said or did, this is the woman who joined the Sea Org at 16! She ran the entire celebrity center network, and was a loyal senior executive of the church for what, 20 years? You want to rebut her accusations, do it, and do it in the strongest terms possible – but that kind of character assassination is unconscionable.
So, I am now painfully aware that you might see this an attack and just as easily use things I have confessed over the years to smear my name. Well, luckily I have never held myself up to be anyone's role model.
The great majority of Scientologists I know are good people who are genuinely interested in improving conditions on this planet and helping others. I have to believe that if they knew what I now know, they too would be horrified. But I know how easy it was for me to defend our organization and dismiss our critics, without ever truly looking at what was being said; I did it for thirty-five years. And so, after writing this letter, I am fully aware that some of my friends may choose to no longer associate with me, or in some cases work with me. I will always take their calls, as I always took yours. However, I have finally come to the conclusion that I can no longer be a part of this group. Frankly, I had to look no further than your refusal to denounce the church's anti-gay stance, and the indefensible actions, and inactions, of those who condone this behavior within the organization. I am only ashamed that I waited this many months to act. I hereby resign my membership in the Church of Scientology.
Sincerely,
Paul Haggis
Ps. I've attached our email correspondence. At some point it became evident that you did not value my concerns about the church's tacit support of an amendment that violated the civil rights of so many of our citizens. Perhaps if you had done a little more research on me, the church's senior management wouldn't have dismissed those concerns quite so cavalierly. While I am no great believer in resumes and awards, this is what you would have discovered:
* Founder, Artists For Peace and Justice,
- sponsoring schools, an orphanage and a children's hospital in the slums of Haiti
* Co-Founder, BrandAid Foundation and BrandAid Project
- marketing the work of artisans from the poorest countries in the world,
* Board Member, Office of The Americas
- supporting peace and justice initiatives around the world
* Board Member, Center For The Advancement of Non-Violence
* Member and active supporter, Amnesty International
* Member, President's Council, Defenders of Wildlife
* Member and fundraiser, Environment California and CalPirg
* Member and Award Recipient, American Civil Liberties Union
* Member and supporter, Death Penalty Focus
* Member and supporter, Equality For All
* Fundraiser, NPH (Our Little Brothers) – for the children of the slums of Haiti
* Member, Citizens Commission on Human Rights
* Patron with Honors, IAS
And formerly:
* Trustee, Religious Freedom Trust
* Board Member and fundraiser, Hollywood Education and Literacy Project
* Board Member and fundraiser, For The Arts, For Every Child
– supporting art and music in public schools
* Board Member and fundraiser, The Christic Institute
- supporting Human Rights in Central America
* Founding Board Member, Earth Communication Office
* Working Board Member, Environmental Media Association
* Fundraiser, El Rescate – Human Rights for El Salvador
* Fundraiser, PAVA – Aid and Human Rights in Guatemala
Awards for outspoken support of Civil and Human Rights:
* Valentine Davies Award – Writers Guild of America
"for bringing honor and dignity to writers everywhere"
*Bill of Rights Award – American Civil Liberties Union
*Hubert H. Humphrey Civil Rights Award – Leadership Conference on Civil Rights
*Peace & Justice Award – Office of the Americas, presented by Daniel Ellsberg
*Signis Award, Venezia, World Catholic Association
*ALMA Award – National Council of Latino Civil Rights
*Ethel Levitt Award for Humanitarian Service – Levitt & Quinn
*Prism Award – Entertainment Industries Council
*Humanitas Prize (2) – Humanitas
*Legacy Award, for Artistic and Humanitarian Achievement
*Environmental Media Award – EMA
*EMA Green Seal Award – EMA
*Image Award – NAACP
*Creative Integrity Award – Multicultural Motion Picture Association
*EDGE Awards (2) – Entertainment Industries Council
*Artistic Freedom Award – City of West Hollywood
*Catholics in Media Award – Catholics in Media Associates
And many dozens of fundraisers and salons at our home on behalf of Human and Civil Rights, the Environment, the Peace Movement, Education, Justice and Equality."
(via The Village Voice)
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HAHA! Bitch got sued!
Submitted by carefreea on Tue, 10/27/2009 - 6:39am.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8327569.stm
France have convicted the organisation of fraud. Hopefully this is the first in a long line of convections and not a one off.
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Really? The use of LOL to indicate finding something to be funny is sign of a defective intellect...hmmm. I wonder how many denizens of the internet (and the world of text messaging and twitter) are aware of this. Not very many, based on my extensive perusal of an extreme variety of sites and media. Perhaps glitterkitty needs to start his/her own site outlining how to appear oh-so-cutting-edge, intelligent and relevant, especially when communicating with those whose opinions he/she does not share.
Or not.
Considering I don't really care about the argument between GK and his/her nemesis, just the chutzpah of dismissing someone's entire existence on the basis of using three little letters, I'm heading back to the barcalounger to watch the rest of my Beverly Hillbillies reruns on DVD (BTW, said barcalounger is not located in the basement). But thanks for attempting to educate me. You can take the visigoth out of Barbaria, but...well, GK, I'm sure you know the rest.
Wow... that was a fascinating and moving letter, and kudos to him for his honesty and humility. I'm kinda scared for the guy, cos you just know the Co$ is gonna come after him...
But after all that thought and insight, I was really shocked at the comments and flaming. Reading it, it's more like what I would expect from an apologist for Scientology - hateful, nasty, illogical and poisonous.
Play nice...? It's not like we're on perezhilton, guys :D
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8327569.stm
France have convicted the organisation of fraud. Hopefully this is the first in a long line of convections and not a one off.
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"In other news, the University of Color Me Surprised released a report today which states that water is indeed wet. Mind. Boggled" - Michael K, who else?
haha...I'm loving this. Even though it took 35 years, congrats dude!
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Submitted by Basement Baby on Mon, 10/26/2009 - 2:46pm.
Submitted by GlitterKitty on Mon, 10/26/2009 - 2:14pm.
LOL at YOU calling me bitter. Proofread yourself, girl!
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People that use LOL are immediately on ignore. It is a sure sign that your IQ hovers under 90. Bye BB.
Brave, brave man. I hope these thugs don't harass him, at least to save themselves further bad press.
I smell an inquisition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5McSEU48Y8
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Good on you, Paul. Welcome to life uncontrolled.
Submitted by Tristram on Mon, 10/26/2009 - 4:49pm.
Yeah, it can be scary in here but I figure the worst that can happen is I'm wrong? And really, who can call that one...
ETA: I just hit delete bc too many words, not enough knowledge (on my part). And why prolong the discussion. So there you go...
Submitted by dulcecali on Mon, 10/26/2009 - 5:41pm.
Micheal are you loco?
Yeah, he's loco. But not about that movie. He's crazy for posting that letter. Them Scientology folks is scary crazy. They got aliens and shit on their side.
hahahahaha.. I'm sorry, but this has to be one of the funniest, wtf random comebacks ever:
Submitted by Basement Baby on Mon, 10/26/2009 - 3:36pm.
Well, your mum birthed a Yorkshire pudding after being squirted by your father's salad cream! HOW DID THAT WORK OUT FOR YOU?!!!!!!!!
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Girl Scouts - Maybe next time you'll buy the fucking cookies.
I was wondering why your site was down this morning... they don't like it when you speak poorly of them ;)
Micheal are you loco?
He SO deserved an Oscar for Crash!
Excellent movie.
Submitted by chica robotica on Mon, 10/26/2009 - 4:24pm.
All nicely said. I am too chicken to wade into blog discussions of religion (or politics), but I will say that humans have an innate need for something spiritual. That's what accounts for the wealth of religions across all cultures and times.
So....lovely weather we're having, eh???
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Praised be the Lord. ;)
Yeah, of course. Religion (primarily Catholicism) was the number #1 go-to tool (and justification) behind colonialism. I say this as a descendant of colonized people. Organized religion is a tricky thing and I can only speak from a Catholic perspective but it is upon the individual (and not the Church) to reconcile their theology with their life and the way they live it. No two questions about it. And I will offer no justification for the Catholic Church (though I am Catholic) except to say that we are not as unified and "on the same page" as portrayed to be. I know a bunch of nuns who will say birth control is a personal choice and one's motivations behind using it (or not) are as important as whether they do or not. No two Catholics are alike or really should be. The core of our beliefs, maybe, but our response to these beliefs can be diverse. I don't know about your friend or her situation but I hope if she converted to Catholicism, it was her choice and therefore also her choice to follow the "hardline" Catholic stance of no birth control. I always find converts a bit different than those born into it, though. Isn't it always that they're the ones who adhere to the "rules" more? Maybe that's part of what attracted them to the religion in the first place? Yeah, I guess. Converts are less critical of their own religion probably because they chose it. Oh, well!
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I agree with this wholeheartedly. I don't agree with everything the Catholic Church says/does. I use birth control with my much more Catholic-practicing boyfriend. He won't NOT use it.
But this is why I resent being told I'm brainwashed/stupid/ignorant. I think for myself regardless of what religion I consider myself to be. There are many things I disagree with in the Catholic church but I find there are things I still get out of it, from the sense of community, among other things.
I don't know. I didn't mean to start a big fight, but I wanted to offer a perspective of someone who isn't anti-religion and just point out how the atheist views here were coming off.
Again, everyone has a right to their opinion, but I didn't see much "debate" going on here when other opinions weren't being asked for.
So....lovely weather we're having, eh???
Submitted by Anonymouse73 on Mon, 10/26/2009 - 4:07pm.
Yeah, of course. Religion (primarily Catholicism) was the number #1 go-to tool (and justification) behind colonialism. I say this as a descendant of colonized people. Organized religion is a tricky thing and I can only speak from a Catholic perspective but it is upon the individual (and not the Church) to reconcile their theology with their life and the way they live it. No two questions about it. And I will offer no justification for the Catholic Church (though I am Catholic) except to say that we are not as unified and "on the same page" as portrayed to be. I know a bunch of nuns who will say birth control is a personal choice and one's motivations behind using it (or not) are as important as whether they do or not. No two Catholics are alike or really should be. The core of our beliefs, maybe, but our response to these beliefs can be diverse. I don't know about your friend or her situation but I hope if she converted to Catholicism, it was her choice and therefore also her choice to follow the "hardline" Catholic stance of no birth control. I always find converts a bit different than those born into it, though. Isn't it always that they're the ones who adhere to the "rules" more? Maybe that's part of what attracted them to the religion in the first place? Yeah, I guess. Converts are less critical of their own religion probably because they chose it. Oh, well!
chica robotica> All good points. I like when people can discuss and not scream at ea. other.
That's why I don't understand the "good" of organized religions. People start wars (either official or unofficial) over whose invisible man is better. Sure they also start things like the Salvation Army, but I don't like the intention behind any of those associations. "We'll help you out....but what we really want to do is convert you...and also get ourselves into Heaven b/c we're doing a good deed." Leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Religion is all about control, ultimately, and I think that's why it's tough to decern between "cult" and "religious group" sometimes. Look at the lengths that people will go to to follow their "religion"...they allow a 5k year old book to convince them that they should hate gays and minorities...even going so far as to kill them! If that's not mind-control, idk what is. Anthropologically speaking, religion served a person back in the day, b/c if someone said "god" said to do something or not do something, then it was followed...for example, not eating pork. When really, it was just a way to prevent the people in their tribe from dying from eating poorly cooked pork. Things like that.
But really, why allow someone to tell you how to live your life??? My friend converted to Catholicism and stopped using birth control. That's a lot of responsibility to take on (unknown numbers of children), just to follow some rules someone made up.
ETA> I once applied for a secretarial job at a synagogue and was told that there was a monthly FEE to worship there! I thought that was very strange. Religion DOES exclude...if you didn't have money, you couldn't join.
On a personal note, when I was a kid I was made to go to Baptist youth camp (ugh) and I was totally against it, but somehow, by the end of the week, I was ALL about the Jesus. Brainwashing at its finest!
"I suppose Mormons will let anyone in but they have the agenda of growth."
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PS. Interestingly enough, one actually cannot go into a Mormon church without being Mormon. I tried it. I was escorted out but given some literature. When I remarked upon this to a friend and asked (I thought rhetorically), "How do they know I'm not Mormon, do they have an ID card or something?" -- I was informed that they do! My friend, who was actually a friend of a friend, was Mormon. At which point, I asked if he knew anything about the Osmonds. LOL.
for the love of Aphroditē, what is going on here!
I can go to synagogue but I can't ever be Jewish. But could I have stepped into a synagogue hundreds of years ago? I highly doubt it. Or a Catholic Church.
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Actually, you can convert, so you can be Jewish if you want. My father converted to Catholicism.
Haven't lost a thing Baby, not one iota of anything. YOU are the festering sore on this site today. Your commentary on every thread distinguishes you as the vile, intolerant, twat.
Massive BB Fail.
The answer is....Hasidic's ARE a cult. Thank you and good night
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Religions exlude others.
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Back to my religion class on cults, actually one of the factors in determining religion from cult (or growth from cult to religion as many cite Mormonism to be) is whether the group is inclusive or exclusive. Not true that religions exclude. They in fact seek to include -- you can walk into most churches and they will tell you what they believe (and it will be the same thing they tell their parishoners) and they will invite you, even want you, to stay. Cults are different. They do want increased numbers, maybe, but it's much more invitation only and you cannot just walk into their place of worship or their compound or what have you. Many cults also seek to disconnect you from your family (if they are not part of the cult) and society. Practices such as renaming members are part of that. But many churches do encourage people to think for themselves and struggle with their conscience. And there are many faiths that are equipt to deal with interfaith marriages. I just think we're throwing around the word "cult" a little liberally here. Sure, many of our religious beliefs may be improbable but religious belief does not mean one is unreasonable or stupid. In fact, religion has been the basis for a lot of the great minds (whether aligning themselves with it or being critical of it). Descartes for example saw himself as a devout catholic and the basis for a lot of his work was to mathematically prove the existence of God. Has anyone read Milton's Paradise Lost or Pilgrim's Progress or poetry based on the psalms? All very good texts. Milton, if I remember correctly, didn't believe in organized religion per se but he did believe in all the improbable religious mythology -- the Bible.
You fail, I win. You totally lost it in the end. Have a nice day, you BARMY BINT!
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I don't let all these jaded hags take my glitters away.....
Can't understand you with that pus-dripping penis in your mouth.
Worked out well, I live my life above ground unlike you, self-titled Basement Baby.
Wonder where your Daddy's spotted thang is now, hmmm? Could it be up your ass? Or maybe down your throat?
And since I've got to go, I'll respond to your next insult in advance:
POPPYCOCK!!! UTTER POPPYCOCK!!!
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I don't let all these jaded hags take my glitters away.....
Well, your mum birthed a Yorkshire pudding after being squirted by your father's salad cream! HOW DID THAT WORK OUT FOR YOU?!!!!!!!!
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I don't let all these jaded hags take my glitters away.....
Your baby Daddy has a spotted dick: how did that work out?
OH BLIMEY, GO GNAW ON A SPOTTED DICK!
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I don't let all these jaded hags take my glitters away.....
Hahahahahahaha! In your dreams you guttersnipe.
SOD OFF, YOU INSOLENT BLATHERSKITE!
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I don't let all these jaded hags take my glitters away.....
@ Basement thing: what? You're gonna have your Daddy Knowles baby? What? Your baby Daddy left your sorry ass with eggs to spare? Or did Mama Knowles sewing needles leave you barren?
yeah, let your vagina drip all over the Basement you slag.
Chai, this thread took a turn for the worse!!
I wonder if there will be any response to Haggis' expose or if it will just be ignored...
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Submitted by Jinxy McDeath on Mon, 10/26/2009 - 9:16am.
Submitted by Flatbush Hooker... on Mon, 10/26/2009 - 8:39am.
Yawn
cult is a cult...like any cults
I think in new york the biggest cult is orthodox jews
god they are so neurotic and obnoxious it's almost sad
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Are you fucking nuts? Do you even know what a cult is, moron? Mind-control, isolation from family and friends who are not in the cult, a charasmatic totalitatian leader, punishment brought by the cult against the individual for by not abiding by the "rules," etc. None of that pertains to Judaism - something you obviously know nothing about. Don't so ignorant, you fucking asshole.
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It's all good, before I begin:) I'm merely ruminating and tryna look at this thing with objectivity, regarding the big picture along with the small. I regard none of my following statements and set-in-stone truths...merely ideas that wander around in my brain looking for a home.
*deep breath*
The power that "religion" has, as opposed to "cults" is longevity. We weren't around to see the beginnings of "religions" but we have enough history and even "people that were there" when cults began.
It was a different time. If you take it from the Bible it was a viscious time. Crazy with violence and abuse that we still battle today but have MUCH more control over. (I like to say that we're growing up:). ...
If you really break it down there is mind control in religion. Religions initiate at birth and feed "truths" throughout childhood. That's how you get one person adamantly believing in Allah and another in God. If I tell my daughter from birth that green is red and never allow anyone to tell her otherwise, she will argue til she's blue in the face that green is red once she grows. And she'll wonder why everyone is so crazy...for a moment. I would need to tell lots and lots of people to make it stick that because there IS strength in numbers. That's why Mormons make babies;) and I don't know of too many religions that invite alternate religious ideas into a child's mind without also showing the faults inherent there...or without doing so with the express purpose of exposing it's "lies".
Religions exlude others. I can go to synagogue but I can't ever be Jewish. But could I have stepped into a synagogue hundreds of years ago? I highly doubt it. Or a Catholic Church. I suppose Mormons will let anyone in but they have the agenda of growth. Because they're newer. And people still think they're a cult. If there were more of them they could really begin to convince the rest of us that it's a religion. And, in truth, it's beginning to get old enough that many (most) people refer to it as a religion.
Punishment. In Catholicism, sinning brings the punishment of eternal hell. ETERNAL. HELL. That is a serious "don't fuck around" punishment if I ever heard one.
Totalitarian leader. God, anyone?
So anyway, just cuz it got me thinking. Now I have to rest and figure out where I'm going with all this. And just so you know - I think religion is very useful in a lot of ways. Important, even. And I think that learning to accept the fact that there will never be one religion and, therefore, never one "right" way of living in this world (with which we have, after all, been gifted to do with as we please) would be a great benefit to us all.
ETA: Ugh, sorry. I need clarity here. There is a right way of living. But religion is the just details of getting there. Religion is like the five fingers on a hand, they are all unique but they all lead to the same place.
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"Dear old people who run the world:
My generation would like to break up with you" ~ Jason Chan.
"Watch your language, moron!" ~ Homer Simpson.
Submitted by SilentWitness on Mon, 10/26/2009 - 2:52pm.
@ Basement thing,
what is your problem? You don't like the people here because they're intolerant? hahahaha What are YOU, Switzerland?
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♥ Threadkilla!
"Dear old people who run the world:
My generation would like to break up with you" ~ Jason Chan.
"Watch your language, moron!" ~ Homer Simpson.
Please, the idea is to never see your agist, nasty commentary again. Run from thread to thread accusing and deriding people you don't even know. Why don't you pack up your sorry ass and get thee to the basement you so obviously belong in.
Submitted by SilentWitness on Mon, 10/26/2009 - 2:52pm.
@ Basement thing,
what is your problem? You don't like the people here because they're intolerant? hahahaha What are YOU, Switzerland?
People here discuss concepts and ideas and though they may have opinions, everyone's opinion is valued - yours are simply inflamatory and name-calling, therefore you are not appreciated.
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So, YOU'RE not being inflammatory right now? Close it down, pack it up, and get back to me when you learn how to spell correctly and express your thoughts coherently. Until then, you "are not appreciated".
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I don't let all these jaded hags take my glitters away.....
@ Basement thing,
what is your problem? You don't like the people here because they're intolerant? hahahaha What are YOU, Switzerland?
People here discuss concepts and ideas and though they may have opinions, everyone's opinion is valued - yours are simply inflamatory and name-calling, therefore you are not appreciated.
Submitted by GlitterKitty on Mon, 10/26/2009 - 2:14pm.
LOL at YOU calling me bitter. Proofread yourself, girl!
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I don't let all these jaded hags take my glitters away.....
Why won't Tom Cruise just come out of the fucking closet already?!? He's too old, gross, and stumpy to be a sex symbol anymore. His work has all but dried up. Basically HE has to foot the bill for a movie if he wants it greenlighted. At this point the only thing that could help his career is coming out of the closet and denouncing Scientology. These dumbasses need to realize that we aren't buying it.
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I don't let all these jaded hags take my glitters away.....
Wow. RIP, Paul. I hope you've got a good safe house or some really crackerjack security.
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"So? I'm intellectual and stuff."
"You're flunking English. That's your mother tongue, and stuff."
"So, I am now painfully aware that you might see this an attack and just as easily use things I have confessed over the years to smear my name."
We all know this is why they have Tommy Girl on a leash and all the other celebrity foolios... fucking dumbasses...
What took him so long in realizing that Scientology is evil personified?
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"I'm a black robot, motherfucker."
Submitted by lizzieb on Mon, 10/26/2009 - 1:40pm.
Following on from wondering how he was taken in I accept that CO$ may have lower key back in the day but it still believed the same things. I do accept that most religions sound nutty when examined- my former mother in law was horrified when I said I did not believe in god
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You should have seen how my mother freaked out when I said I wanted to middle-name my daughter Kali. She was all: KALI!?!?! That's an EEEEEEEvil Goddess! She is DESTRUCTION! How can you do that to your daughter?!?!
Where did she get this information? Raiders of the Lost Ark, of course. *sigh*
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My generation would like to break up with you" ~ Jason Chan.
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Submitted by Basement Baby on Mon, 10/26/2009 - 2:00pm.
Kate: Most of the people here are assholes. NOT ALL, most, or many.
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It is called a debate. Where people disagree at times. What do you mean 'most people here'? If anything the people on Dlisted are about the most sensible out there for a gossip board. Wake up Basement Baby, religion is a touchy subject. GYAC- most wars start because of religion. So that might tell you about the touchiness of the sibject. FYI, I am not a middle aged mum either so fuck off with your superiority complex. I happen to believe that religion is a load of BS, but I respect people's rights to believe whatever the hell they like as long as they don't force their beliefs on others. Scientology does that and more. It is not a religion, it is a cult founded on a silly principle (a failed science fiction writer who wanted to earn some money so started a cult). Sure most religions are based on a slightly unbelievable premise, but you can't really accuse any of them of being a celebrity religion who is more interested in getting Hollywood on board than it is helping the average man on the street.
You sound a bit bitter. I can only assume you yourself once tried to argue a point and were slapped down. Which intelligent people do when someone doesn't argue their point well enough. Back into the basement dearest.
yup that sums it up