La Toya Was Right (Maybe)
La Toya Jackson gave an interview to the Daily Mail over the weekend where she said that she really believes her brother was murdered. La Toya said that she's going to watch several episodes of Father Dowling Mysteries, take notes and then get to the bottom of everything. Well, La Toya might have been right, because TMZ says that the LAPD is treating Michael's death as a homicide.
Sources within the LAPD say that the investigators are focusing on one of Michael's doctor, Dr. Conrad Murray. Apparently, there is evidence that Dr. Murray gave Michael the anesthesia Propofol which was the primary cause of his death. The evidence includes vials of Propofol founds in the house along with an oxygen stand and IV stand. Dr. Murray's lawyer refused to say one word about the allegations.
From here on out, I will never doubt La Toya again.
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if i had a addict in my family who didn't wanna go to rehab, I'd lock them in the basement until the tooth fairy takes them.
Submitted by Stoney on Wed, 07/15/2009 - 10:28am.
Against his will, but guilty, no?
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Well, that's the $64 question isn't it?
It's a very complex and painful situation.
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Deb,
Thanks! And not a lame excuse at all. My ex hub was a heavy smoker and I was a light one, ten years of marriage and I too am a heavy smoker.
First of all, why is she even opening her trap? She was the one who got her 15 minutes of fame on Geraldo and said MJ was a pervert!
But with that said, his family is just as much at fault. When Britney was out of control and on the verge of harming herself her family had her taken to the hospital and then got control over her money and look at her now. That is what a family does.
They were all enablers.
Oh yeah it's complex. That's what sucks so hard about it.
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Submitted by DiamondDawg on Wed, 07/15/2009 - 10:28am.
You can't force an addict to not be an addict. The individual has to decide. It's too bad MJ died as a drug addict.
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An addict will only become clean and sober when THEY are ready. No amount of jail time, rehab, hospitalization will "change" an addict. The addict has to WANT to change their life.
And I am speaking from personal experience.
Submitted by Stoney on Wed, 07/15/2009 - 10:26am.
By the way, coming to that conclusion to commit someone isn't exactly an easy thing to do.
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I would normally say, yeah, throw 'em in the jug. But I saw this happen to a family member close up. Addiction is incredibly complex and destructive.
Whoever is launching the intervention better fucking do their homework and fully consider the wellbeing of all parties involved.
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RE: the 72 hour hold.
When a bitch is sent 5150 to psychiatric hold, the doctors are the ones who evaluate the patient and decide whether or not they are "ill" enough to be held for at least 72 hours, if not longer. The family only makes the decision to make the call as to whether or not to have them committed in the first place.
That pic of Latoya is aweful
You can't force an addict to not be an addict. The individual has to decide. It's too bad MJ died as a drug addict.
Against his will, but guilty, no?
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"Let s/he who is without sin, cast the first Stoney."
Submitted by iHeartHaters on Wed, 07/15/2009 - 10:19am
I mean, cant you picture that shit in your head? Like a mechanized gravestone that comes up, maybe playing some gay MJ sap song for one minute and then slowly retreating into the ground? Maybe a little paper card then will spit out as a memorial but, then they'd have to charge $1.00 in order to cover the cost of the paper and in order to turn a profit...
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Submitted by Stoney on Wed, 07/15/2009 - 10:18am.
But most will go if threatened with jail time.
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Um, this happened to one of my relatives. He was taken into custody and forced into rehab by threat of legal action.
He was in the judicial system/ rehab against his will for more than two years.
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It's not frightening if you are the family who has to deal with the crazy person/addict. Actually, it's quite conforting to know that your loved one is somewhere they can't harm themselves, even if it's only for 72 hours. By the way, coming to that conclusion to commit someone isn't exactly an easy thing to do.
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"Let s/he who is without sin, cast the first Stoney."
Submitted by M.E. on Wed, 07/15/2009 - 10:21am.
DD- that article pisses me the fuck off. Not guilty??? THEY GAVE THE BITCH THE DAMNED DRUGS! And HKS administered them!!
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I know!
I found it interesting that the story appeared and it slipped by everyone's radar. There must have been something else major going on for us to miss it. I saw a blip on CNN and remembered. Oy vey! SHOWER!!
Submitted by DiamondDawg on Wed, 07/15/2009 - 10:06am.
Ummmm.... In the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, you cannot FORCE someone to go to "rehab." That would be kidnapping, which is a federal crime, in case you didn't know. Kidnapping is "holding someone against their will."
Anyone who has watched TV the last two years must remember the footage of Britney Spears being taken involuntarily out of her house by ambulance and taken for initial evaluation in a hospital. All the family had to do would be to get a COURT ORDERED involuntary admission--48-72 hours for doctors in a legal facility to evaluate the patient for their danger to themselves or ability to take care of themselves. Michael's addiction would have been evident by that time and further admission mandated. There was enough evidence in court records from the 1993 and later trial of drug use for the family and their lawyer to use to create concern and their own present concerns for his health to get a court order......
Submitted by Hysteria on Wed, 07/15/2009 - 10:15am.
Submitted by DiamondDawg on Wed, 07/15/2009 - 10:06am.
Ummmm.... In the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, you cannot FORCE someone to go to "rehab." That would be kidnapping, which is a federal crime, in case you didn't know. Kidnapping is "holding someone against their will."
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Actually, yes you can force someone into rehab. It's called civil commitment.
Family members or friends can prove that an individual is a threat to himself or others and have that person be taken into custody... and into rehab or where ever.
Happens every day. It's actually a little frightening.
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Is that the same as the 72-hour psychiatric eval hold?
And I agree, totally frightening.
DD- that article pisses me the fuck off. Not guilty??? THEY GAVE THE BITCH THE DAMNED DRUGS! And HKS administered them!!
Submitted by chefcammi on Wed, 07/15/2009 - 10:17am.
the gravestone will most likely be coin operated.. you put 50 cents in and up pops the grave stone for 1 minute where it will then sink back into the ground therafter.
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The thing is LaToyota was paid like $300,000 for this story by the British tabloid.
Whether the story is factual or not, it's kinda seedy profitting from her brother's death just days after the funeral.
She could have gone to the police or a reputable newspaper for no money.
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Submitted by iHeartHaters on Wed, 07/15/2009 - 10:17am.
Jesus fuck. Whatever happened to personal responsibility? Junkies are usually surrounded by those who indulge their addictions. Ah forget it, why bother.
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Agreed 100%
LMFAO cammi, let's home Papa Jackson doesn't read Dlisted...I think you may have just given him a new idea =))
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"Sam put drugs in Britney's biscuits"
Yes but you can only hold them for 72 hours, hysteria. You can't force someone into 30, 60 or 90 day rehab. But most will go if threatened with jail time.
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M.E. - re: Howard K. Stern and the doctors in ANS' death. May 2009, Los Angeles. The article doesn't say exactly what the charges are, not murder, but it could get them jail time.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/05/anna-nicole-smith-1.html
Anna Nicole Smith’s former confidant and lawyer pleaded not guilty today to charges of furnishing illegal prescription drugs to the late Playboy model in the years leading up to her 2007 fatal overdose.
Following the arraignment in L.A. County Superior Court, an attorney for Howard K. Stern said he plans to seek a complete dismissal of the charges on the grounds that the law is meant for medical professionals.
“Howard is not a doctor, not a medical practitioner and the statute does not apply to him,” lawyer Steve Sadow said outside court as Stern stood silently at his side.
Authorities have portrayed Stern, 40, as the linchpin – or “principal enabler” according to the state attorney general – of a conspiracy to provide Smith with thousands of pills, including methadone, Xanax and Ambien.
Stern’s co-defendants, physicians Sandeep Kapoor, 40, and Khristine Eroshevich, 61, also pleaded not guilty today. Commissioner Kristi Lousteau ordered the doctors and Stern to provide handwriting samples to investigators.
The writing of prescriptions is the heart of the case against the trio. In court filings, prosecutors have said the three used fake names on prescriptions to funnel inappropriate amounts of medication to Smith even though they knew she was an addict.
The 39-year-old model and spokeswoman died in a Florida hotel room two years ago, five months after her 20-year-old son, Daniel, suffered a fatal overdose from drugs. A lawyer for Eroshevich, a psychiatrist, has said she was treating Smith for depression and postpartum depression stemming from the birth of her daughter.
The judge also imposed a protective order barring attorneys from disseminating some 1,400 pages of evidence that prosecutors are in the process of turning over to the defense. A lawyer for Kapoor told reporters that he is continuing to practice medicine as the case progresses.
“His patients have been very supportive and he appreciates that,” said attorney Ellyn Garofolo.
The defendants are due back in court in June to set a date for the preliminary hearing, which is expected to last at least two weeks.
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its too bad the family probably with bury him and make his grave tacky...
the gravestone will most likely be coin operated.. you put 50 cents in and up pops the grave stone for 1 minute where it will then sink back into the ground therafter.
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Jesus fuck. Whatever happened to personal responsibility? Junkies are usually surrounded by those who indulge their addictions. Ah forget it, why bother.
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2007~It was a truly magical time in Shitneyland.
"Sam put drugs in Britney's biscuits"
Submitted by Momus the Sarcastic on Wed, 07/15/2009 - 10:15am.
You said "penal."
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Submitted by Stoney on Wed, 07/15/2009 - 10:15am.
I hear ya, but Dr. Murray was being paid by the promoters, not MJ.
"JUST SMILE LIKE A NORMAL FUCKED UP PERSON."
Charles Manson
Submitted by NoAnjl on Wed, 07/15/2009 - 10:00am.
I'd be better if I had a cheesesteak and a Rita's water ice for dessert! ;)
Hope you're enjoying your summer!
On Topic: Let's not forget the money the promoters are saving because MJ died instead of quitting.
"JUST SMILE LIKE A NORMAL FUCKED UP PERSON."
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Exactly! Michael paid those doctors thousands of dollars to keep him doped up and one time he went too far. Sure, the doctor was negligent and should have his license revoked and perhaps do some jail time, but I don't think he intetionally murdered MJ. Why would he do that? If he's dead he's not a high-paying patient anymore!
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"Let s/he who is without sin, cast the first Stoney."
Submitted by DiamondDawg on Wed, 07/15/2009 - 10:06am.
Ummmm.... In the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, you cannot FORCE someone to go to "rehab." That would be kidnapping, which is a federal crime, in case you didn't know. Kidnapping is "holding someone against their will."
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Actually, yes you can force someone into rehab. It's called civil commitment.
Family members or friends can prove that an individual is a threat to himself or others and have that person be taken into custody... and into rehab or where ever.
Happens every day. It's actually a little frightening.
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Most likely, the person will be accused of voluntary manslaughter (Cal. Pen. Code, § 192(a)) or involuntary manslaughter (Cal. Pen. Code, § 192(b)).
My bet is on 192(b).
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DD - yes, last I heard the authorities were going after HKS and her doctors to hold them accountable for her "overdose" but they have not reclassified her death as a homicide.
Submitted by DiamondDawg on Wed, 07/15/2009 - 10:08am.
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Randy is the youngest Jackson brother. He joined them when they became "The Jacksons". He is usually the forgotten Jackson.
Help me I am going down a LaToya Youtube shame spiral and can't get out!
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You can't just pick up a prescription for propofol. No pharmacy would fill that, I doubt any would even carry it. Which means it had to have been stolen from a hospital. So you can add that crime.
Criminally negligent homicide, I think, is what we're all agreeing on here.
Submitted by Stoney on Wed, 07/15/2009 - 10:06am.
"There was nearly 20 million to be paid in the event of his death from overdose."
That should pretty much tell everyone everything they need to know.
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for-fuckin-sure
usually when there are unanswered questions, one only has to follow the green paper trail...
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Submitted by M.E. on Wed, 07/15/2009 - 10:10am.
Well then, they'd better re-classify ANS death as homicide!!!
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I thought there was a story in hte past year that the lawyer dude was in custody. ShiT! I am so late for work!
will look for that link later, if/when I remember!!!
stoney, but how many policies were there? Who took out the $20mil one? MJ? His label? Manager?
I'm thinking everyone he knew probably had a life insurance policy on him. That's why it's so important to rule it as a "murder." I heard the payout is quicker.
@Missy: Hey thanks, doll! :)
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"Two faces you have. Two faces, keep one in your bag. Well, I'm biding my time like a cellar of wine but with two faces you'll never be true".
Well then, they'd better re-classify ANS death as homicide!!! This is complete bullshit. The doctor was just enabling MJ. He was most likely doping up MJ upon HIS request. Just like ANS and HKS and her psychiatrist who was prescribing the drugs.
Submitted by The Fly on Wed, 07/15/2009 - 9:58am.
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Randy Jackson?
Is he a brother or a cousin? Hey, how come we never hear about the Jackson extended family??
"There was nearly 20 million to be paid in the event of his death from overdose."
That should pretty much tell everyone everything they need to know.
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"Let s/he who is without sin, cast the first Stoney."
Submitted by Twilight on Wed, 07/15/2009 - 9:24am.
Yes, the doctors and personal handlers that supplied illegal drugs have a LOT to answer for. But La Toya--if you and the family KNEW Michael had a severa drug problem and you LET him continue and did NOT contact authorities and FORCE him into rehab, then YOU and the FAMILY have a burden of responsibility here
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Ummmm.... In the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, you cannot FORCE someone to go to "rehab." That would be kidnapping, which is a federal crime, in case you didn't know. Kidnapping is "holding someone against their will."
Also, there was a story floating around that family members DID try an intervention within recent years, but Michael threw them out.
Final point. Even if MJ had gone to rehab, what were the chances that he would have not relapsed? Rehab doesn't cure shit, it only tries to re-direct thinking. But I wouldn't know fo sho. I've never been...
Uh, why is LaToya's face purple? Hideous lab accident?
Submitted by Katt on Wed, 07/15/2009 - 9:50am.
Ah, if only Michael's family had shown such an interest in him while he was still living.
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Ain't that the truth. But when MJ was alive, he wasn't giving them money. Now the vultures think they'll get some cash.
Submitted by Stoney on Wed, 07/15/2009 - 9:57am.
Team Kfed, I thought that was true until Britney and the conservatorship came along.
Stoney - I know what you mean, but I'm guessing that age had something to do with Britney. She was still very young & willing to be told what to do. Especially by a strong father type. MJ was 50, he had been king for 40+ years, I doubt anyone could tell him anything.
Have they even planted poor Michael yet? He's still in cold storage as far as anyone knows.
Submitted by DiamondDawg on Wed, 07/15/2009 - 9:59am.
NO WORRIES!!! Looking lame ain't stopped me yet!!!
Submitted by Deb on Wed, 07/15/2009 - 9:48am.
Hey Debs!!!!!! xoxoxo Yea, but our Phils are still nice to look at, Chase, Jason, Shane....LOL Hope you are well!!!
Submitted by poo on Wed, 07/15/2009 - 9:58am.
Immediately after his death, I read about the insurance coverage the promoters had taken out. There was nearly 20 million to be paid in the event of his death from overdose.
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