Bruno Takes On The Gay Marriage Haters

i am voting NO on prop 8. i would gladly come to one of your many weddings mk :]

@Bjork:
I was, for a tine, a stay-at-home-mom, and still consider my contribution to not only my family, but society, invaluable.

Having said that, I did not make contributions to a 401K, did not have brilliant additions to my CV, and was not monetarily compensated. Although I was able to enjoy the "proctection" afforded legal marriage(unlike gay partners), I still empathize with people whose contributions are utterly devalued and in some cases, denigrated by a society rife with powerful white(usually straight) men rolling in ill-gotten gains.

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Kudos to Sheeps and Ziggy Stardust.

Feminists have always advocated that a stay-at-home mom's work be included as part of the GNP.

Can you imagine being in a same-sex union with children and if your partner dies, you are not automatically guaranteed parental rights afforded to any heterosexual couple (married or not)?

And that guy in green? Mary, please!!!!

I registered here just so I could comment on this. I voted a few weeks ago (absentee as well) and proudly and gladly voted NO on Prop 8. It's horrible and I just had to sit in 20 minutes of extra traffic on my way home because of some hate filled intolerant assholes! I wish I had a bottle of paint in my car, I would have thrown it all over them. I did call them intolerant assholes tho. The one that hurt me the most are the people I work with who have gay children but are STILL voting yes on this! It's horrible and breaks my heart. I am soooooooooo excited to come to one of your many weddings and I'm pretty damn excited about the In N Out. Of course I just ate that for dinner, (a delicious #1 with extra cheese) but you can never have too much In N Out. I LOVEEEEEEEEEEEEE YOU MK!!!

Submitted by justwondering on November 3, 2008 - 3:23pm.

Exactly.

And, MK, please remember the bridal registry. We don't all want to send you the same lazy susan, butt beads or linens.

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I voted weeks ago so my "No" vote is secure!! (I'm an absentee ballot)...How and/or why anyone can/does think prohibiting civil liberties is okay is just a mind fuck to me.

Methinks homo-elf protesteth too much.

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I wonder if he knows how much he risks life and limb whenever he does this stuff. Let's hope he's wearing a bullet proof vest.

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F*ck those conservative and ignorant gay hating bastards. If they want to keep marriage a purely heterosexual option, then those allowed to marry should not be allowed to divorce. Funny how they forget about their so called "values" when they tire of their husbands/wives.

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I'm glad he's against banning gay marriage, but he's not even a US citizen. What's he doing protesting one of our referendum questions? Just for publicity? SBC is a big loser.

NO!NO!NO!NO!!!

i was down the street!! and I missed that hot spunk of hunk!!!! no!!!!!!!!

viva bruno!!!!

BTW MK... brilliant goody bag. can you get married tonight?? please... im broke and could use all of the above...

Ugh. I get so disgusted by closet twinks like this green-shirted Peter Pan who are psychotically homophobic yet so obviously want it up the pooper.

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You don't have to be gay to know how wrong Prop 8 is. I am not gay, no one in my immediate family is gay. I live in San Francisco, so I am around the gay community. I vote no on this, not just for the gift bag at one of the many weddings of MK, but because of this poem:

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out."

--Martin Niemoller

I totally agree with you, angel_i, and bitchyagain. My mom was crying cause she said she worries so much about what's going to happen to me if Obama doesn't win, and especially if McCain kicks it within the first year. The people going for Prop 8 are the same who were gunning for House File 341 (I think that was the name) where they wanted to make sexual orientation a mandatory question on applications, intake info, so you could legally be denied schooling, housing, a job, rights to children, all sorts of stuff. First Prop 8, then what?

Omg, green princess is totally smiling cause she thinks she's gonna get a peen ride off Bruno.

Bossy...I'm afraid I have to disagree with you. You'd said "Catholics have Confirmations, Jews have Bar Mitzvahs" as in an "it's all the same, just a new name" sort of way. Well, that seems a very odd comparison, as both of those rights of passage are individual as far as I know, and are from two completely different religions in two different cultures. You wouldn't say to a Catholic kid though "oh, congrats on your Bar Mitzvah" after their confirmation, they aren't the same thing and not interchangable.

My biggest issue with the argument that "marriage has this traditional value and history" is that marriage does indeed have a history, but it's DEFINITELY changed a ton over the course of it. Marriage started as a contract, where the man pretty much took a wife and owned her like she was property. Love was definitely not a factor, and in the grand scheme of things, marriage for love is a relatively new concept.

The idea of "marriage" has been evolving, so I find the notion that it cannot evolve to include Same Sex couples to be ridiculous. It's that whole "seperate, but equal" stuff, which is just a way of saying "we kind of HAVE to include you, but we don't want to, so instead you can have this."

Really, the government has no place defining marriage or banning anyone from it. My other huge issue with it, is that American politics are supposed to have a separation of church and state. People's problems with gay marriage almost always stem from their personal religious beliefs (they pull out those same bible quotes which rest right below the "don't eat shrimp" passages, isn't picking and choosing fun?) which have no place in politics.

As a gay woman, this is something I feel strongly about. 40 years ago, this arguement was going on about race, which is just as ridiculous. I want to live in a country where I am considered a full citizen with all the rights of every other citizen available to me. If I lived in California I would definitely be voting NO on Prop 8, and would hope others would as well.

KD - decriminalizing personal posession

so an ounce or less would be a ticket, not a court case

AND IT HAS 72% approval in polls!!!

LOVE this election!

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Missy- woah, you mean decriminalize it period? In my state we are voting on legalizing Medical Marijauana.

gay marriage is legal in my state (MA) and its not up for repeal

we get to vote on

1. whether to outlaw greyhound racing tracks (outlaw em!)

2. whether to decriminalize marijuana posession (legalize it!)

I CANT WAIT UNTIL TOMORROW!!

oh and if I lived in CA, Id vote no on 8 fo shoa.

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I plan to vote no on 8 as well

O! Ty biatchy! (luvs your name!;p)

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I already voted like 2 weeks ago and voted NO on PROP H8TE. I don't know if my vote will beat out all those damn Mormons, but I gave it my best shot!

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angel_i, well said!!

I am sick to my stomach about this prop. 8 thing. I live in northern California, and it amazes me, this huge anti-gay movement that has come out in response to this measure. I thought that the majority of Californian's would be more tolerant and understanding. It is blatant discrimintation and it just "irks" me.

Well, I see this is the yelling and screaming thread. I have only this to say, because it's been on my mind:

How you gonna say: EVERYONE should have the RIGHT to carry a gun. Everyone should have the RIGHT to protect themselves with such a lethal weapon. Everyone should have the RIGHT to shoot down an animal for food OR sport with a GUN....

But only SOME people can get married.
Why? Because its dangerous. WTF???

Quite frankly, it's them gun people who are wasting your time and money with this horseshit.

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Glittersha, STFU, you're going to enlighten me? HOW?? Please tell me? And IF you NEED to know Bossy has said it plenty of times before that she is black so mind your own business. BITCH.

I dropped off my ballot on Friday with a big black line across the "NO" column for Prop 8. Down with that stupid, shitty prop!
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I must agree with Ricki: the homo elf is getting all boned up just staring into Bruno's eyes.

"If Drinks Aren't Involved, Then Neither Am I."

Hmmmm.

I want in. I voted NO!!!

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You mean "good" xian like as in "The lions enjoyed that one. It was good." ?? :D

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Uhm, and Btw "Jimmy Bocca", what makes you assume that Bossy is black? You better watch it or This 'Black' is going to have to Enlighten you're ass.

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Submitted by Otter Pop on November 3, 2008 - 10:18am.
My neighbors have a "Yes on 8" banner in their front yard and it fucking makes me so angry every time I see it. They call themselves "good" Christians but yet they see no problem with denying an entire group of people their fundamental rights. I can't wait to vote tomorrow.

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Same here, and I have a neighbor who started out with one "Yes on 8" sign, but has now progressed to about 5 huge signs in his yard. Ugh! I cannot wait for this to be over and I fervently hope the bill does NOT pass. In fact, I think I will become violently ill if it does pass.

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As an individual with amazing gaydar, I can officially certify that the gay in the gay green shirt with the homo jaw is the gayest gay to have ever gayed. What a self-hating tool.

Submitted by Chimp on November 3, 2008 - 12:49pm.
you would have thought fred phelps would have plopped his family outside tom cruise and john travolta's house by now with wicked signs!
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He wouldn't do that. He makes his signs in his own closet.

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you would have thought fred phelps would have plopped his family outside tom cruise and john travolta's house by now with wicked signs!

old man slow.

I'm voting NO on 8 and I expect that invite, M.K!

I agree with MAE...I love an open bar at a reception, as I always say;

"If Drinks Aren't Involved, Then Neither Am I."

Having been gay marriage divorced x 2 (I actually made $$ on the last one), I think everyone should be all for it. Hi Mabel!! Missed ya!!

These people thundering on about the sanctity of marriage have no instinct for privacy or personal freedom. They willingly believe in and worship a god who reads their innermost thoughts and convicts them of thought crimes. And yet, they belie their own confidence in an all knowing being by attempting to police the private love lives of other citizens on God's behalf.

I say there is no place for that in a democratic society, which is not about kowtowing to the moral majority, but about protecting personal liberties that do not in actuality cause harm to anyone.

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It's ironic that in its quest for immortality, religion itself may lead to our extinction.

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Submitted by ZiggyStardust on November 3, 2008 - 11:48am.

again, RIGHT ON

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Count me among all you whose gaydar blew out at level FABULOUS with Smirky McTwink. He looks like a Babylon go-go dancer from Queer as Folk.

And I caution my friends in CA of the further implications that Prop 8 might drag in. In MI, our Prop 2 in 2004 effectively did away with all domestic partner benefits in any agency receiving public funds. The backers of Prop 2 assured voters that civil unions would not be affected by this legislation.

They lied.

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Bossy, your black right? So how would you feel if people said, well the word "Marriage" is essentially from the English language and since English is a European language that word can only constitute 2 Europeans being in love with one another, Therefore anyone who is NOT of European ancestry must come up with their own word for it. So basically it would be called something different but mean the same thing. How would you feel? Wouldn't you feel discriminated against, like you weren't good enough to use the word "Marriage" to define your love?

Why don't the gays simply accept civil unions and be done with it? It doesn't matter what happens anyway, if Osama wins the election tomorrow, in four years the backlash will so big that the least of Gays' problems will be Prop 8.

Submitted by Bossy on November 3, 2008 - 11:32am.

Well we all know if there's one thing Dlisted members love more than an unwarranted catfight is sitting around in a circle and nodding in agreement about how right they all are. So I won't ruin this "vote no on prop 8" party. Goodness knows most of you will want me to respect, nay be in agreement with your opinion but if you deem mine wrong you'll plaster me with comments.
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Well at least you know what to expect then.

I read your post. Do you read others posts that aren't in agreement with you (excepting the flames)?

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Submitted by aquarius on November 3, 2008 - 11:02am.

Everything that you have shared with us here is completely relevant to the issue at hand. I'm usually quite a thick-skinned person, but just reading your post - as all accounts of such experiences do - has upset me.

Essentially, this debate boils down to sex politics, and the normalised behavioural relationships between the sexes.

I have to despair each time I hear some maudlin appeal to the sentimental value attached to 'traditional' marriage. What makes this even more laughable - or frightening - is that they honestly do believe that the nuclear family of the mid 20th Century is the traditional marriage.

Let's just roll with this concept for a moment - ignoring, if we possibly can, multicultural marriages that pre-date Christianity by hundreds of years - and think about 19th Century Britain. Of course, I've only selected a tiny stretch of time to consider in the grand scheme of things - but hopefully that will highlight the futility of the 'traditional' marriage.

For the majority of the 19th Century, the married woman really had no sense of ownership. All of her earnings and possessions were the husband's. A woman could not divorce a man - although by the 1850s, men were free to divorce their wives on grounds of adultery. Any wages that a woman may have earned through work were sent directly to her husband.

Compare this to today's Western standard, and we see how dramatically marriage has changed. Clearly, the marriage of today is not the traditional marriage. Also note, that changes in marital law were not handed over by the gentry of the day; they were fought for by tooth and nail. The opponents of such acts of course fell back on the traditional argument, as many do in the face of reform today - and we could go further back in time to show that the 'traditional' argument was as much of a fallacy then as it is today.

When people appeal to tradition, they are not pining for some historical ideal that they see as being a standard. Rather, their ambitions are directed toward their own ego - their own desire to stamp themselves onto the world and to fix it in their own image.

Remember that it wasn't so long ago that a man supposedly had the right to smack his wife whenever he saw fit. How traditions have changed!

The 'tradition' argument is a complete joke, and it should sway none but the feeblest of minds.

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Submitted by Bossy on November 3, 2008 - 11:32am.

I second Missy, although I disagree with your argument, props that it came from an intelligent and non-religious place.

Submitted by Bossy on November 3, 2008 - 11:32am.

Okay, first of all, I have never called anyone names on here simply because I disagreed with his or her opinion. Most others here are also capable of keeping the discussions above name-calling level. So you can get down off your cross.

Secondly, Plessy v. Ferguson said (regarding racially segregated facilities) that "separate but equal" is neither separate nor equal. It has been scientifically shown that sexuality is just as immutable as race. Why should members of either group be given fewer rights than other US citizens, whether it comes to drinking from the same water fountain or getting married to the person they love?