Plead The Fifth is a game that Andy Cohen regularly plays with his guests on Watch What Happens Live. I love the game, because it sometimes brings out a juicy nugget (see: Pink talking about the time that Xtina tried to fight her in a club), and other times it causes Andy’s guests to hit him with an icy load of “fuck off with that shit” when he asks them a question they don’t like. Debra fell under the second category last night, and it had me singing (in the tune of the theme from her movie An Officer and a Gentlemen): ♪ hate lift us up ♪ where we beeeeeeelong ♪
Andy asked Debra three questions, and the first one about the biggest misogynist pig in Hollywood she’s ever met was easy for her. Debra said Harvey Weinstein without saying Harvey Weinstein. But when Andy brought out his second question, which was about her supposed rivalry with Shirley MacLaine, Debra probably became Kathy Griffin’s favorite actress when she spit at the question he served up:
Andy: Back in the 80s, there were so many rumors about your relationship with Shirley MacLaine on Terms of Endearment. You wrote about this in your book-
Debra: No, no! I didn’t write about her. She wrote about me. Let’s try to get something straight. I mean, c’mon. It’s rough. It’s hard out here for a chimp.
Andy: I figured you wrote about it in your book, because you wrote a great book. There were rumors that you tried to pass gas in her direction, you licked her leg while she was filming a scene with Nicholson. Was any of that true?
Debra: You mean you just want to go in there and say is there something true in there?
Debra: There’s something true in there.
That was Andy’s cue to tuck his tail between his legs, tear up the rest of the cards, and head directly to the bar. But instead of doing that, he kept on, kept on. Andy asked Debra to rank her costars from best to worst kisser. Her choices were: John Travolta, Richard Gere, Anthony Hopkins, and Robert Redford. Debra turned what was supposed to be a fluffy and stupid question on a fluffy and stupid talk show into some Inside The Actors Studio shit and I ate up every awkward bit of it.
Debra: Oh God, what were you doing 40 years ago? Just curious. So you remember someone you remember 30 years ago?
Andy: If it was in an iconic film, I probably would.
Debra: You think? You don’t think that you’re sort of busy investigating a character, which kind of puts you in another self-state. Right now it’s pretty hard to be authentically a person.
Andy: I’m not an actor, so I actually don’t know.
Andy reminded her that she could skip the question, but she didn’t and finally tried to be light by saying, “I dug kissing all of them. Some of them required a little more sucking in of the cheeks so as to simulate a tongue.”
Get your heaping dose of Vitamin A (for AWKWARD) here, and cringe, nervously laugh, and deliver a WTF with your face along with Andy’s other guest Amanda Peet.
Andy said afterward that he needed to numb the pain of getting repeatedly slapped down by Debra Winger with some booze.
Daddy needs a drink https://t.co/wW8xV6SuB6
— Andy Cohen (@Andy) October 31, 2018
On one hand, did Debra not know what she she was on? On the other hand, I live for messy awkwardness like this. This actually makes me miss Megyn Kelly Today. Because if Jane Fonda directed a death glare at Megyn Kelly for a question she didn’t like, imagine if Debra Winger was on and was asked a question she didn’t like. Debra would shoot a death glare that would be so fiery that it’d leave Megyn’s entire existence scorched and blackened. It’d be the only kind of blackface that Megyn doesn’t approve of.