Cissy Houston Doesn't Like Bobby Brown And Doesn't Like The Thought Of Whitney Lezzing Out With Her Best Friend

Studly - that stuff about Clive Davis is creepy as hell. I never even knew who Phyllis Hyman was. What a sad, sad story. I think it's easy for anybody to say they'd have handled stardom differently. Addiction is a bitch. Some are prone to it, some aren't.

Sarah Smile

" I love her voice more than any other woman; it was a gift from God that will never be replicated. It still sends chills down my spine."

AMEN, SISTER! She struggled a lot but her nickname was not "The Voice" for no reason. Girl could sang!

I agree she may have had the highest morals in the begining, however as we know most men and woman can't help but fall to the mighty dollar, which will be the destruction of us all, and her!

I may be in the minority here (like always) but I really loved this girl. I think there was a basic decency in her that you can see especially in her last couple years when she talks about her faith and meeting God.

I love her voice more than any other woman; it was a gift from God that will never be replicated. It still sends chills down my spine.

Submitted by JimiJanisJim on Wed, 01/30/2013 - 1:04am.

It seems that Clive Davis was to Whitney what Col. Parker was to Elvis.

even i have to agree with you here, gladys

"Voodoo is forgetting who's the john and who's the whore." MK, 3/20/12

When is the Big O's network going to go under? When is she going to call it a day and try something new? There are only so many people she can beg to interview.

It seems that Clive Davis was to Whitney what Col. Parker was to Elvis.

anyway, y'all, it's all speculation. the "adapt, migrate or die" thing is real.

somewhere in there you gotta squeeze in - "and live to pass on your fucked up traits."

RIP Whitney. it wasn't easy being the great black hope of Clive Davis, and when they got through with her, whooh, they partied like it was 1999 while her body lay in the same building. i thought that was sinister as fuck

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Submitted by StudLy GoLightLy on Tue, 01/29/2013 - 10:31pm.

Clive Davis "crushed" Phyllis Hyman?
*tears*

Why do you say that?

She was wonderful, her suicide was so soo tragic.

Don't tell me Clive Davis was there when Donny Hathaway fell or I'll really lose my shit!

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@misslainey on Tue, 01/29/2013 - 7:01pm.
"Sorry, but I ain't buying the 'Poor Whitney, raised by a born again Christian who repressed her carpet munching tendencies'. Bullshit."
Agreed. She was a spectacularly beautiful woman and her voice will live on forever (sorry to sound so cliche), but she was seriously troubled/conflicted. I'm guessing her problems were mostly bio-chemical in nature, not environmental or culturally inflicted (not that our culture doesn't exacerbate these miseries).
I'm an Out Gay Christian Male who lives in a small town outside of a medium-sized city in flyover territory and although I've had SOME problems for the most part my life's pretty great*, and it irritates me to read all the hatred for Christians in the media. My experience can't be all THAT unusual.
And Dementa, although I'm on board with some of what you say, I'd probably phrase it differently (love you, though)!
"I get a bit upset when people make sweeping generalizations that all theists are hateful."
Kortni, thank you.
I guess it's time to bow out but here's something to remember Whitney Houston by:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXQyAgeYtf0

"I am not really a crazy psycho. I swear." Nicki Minaj. ________________________________________________________________

OMG @Studly

You called me Kortini! Lol that's been my nickname since birth cause some people have spelled my name like that or have misread my name!

I don't recall Whitney being "America's sweetheart" that whole type of image just screams "RAGING CUNT IRL" to me. My mother and her friends, who were teens in the 80's, worshipped Whitney and were sad when she died. I just can't be sad or mournful over the death of a troubled celebrity. They made their own choices, and now they must live, or die, with them. As far as her music, I've probably heard it before and not known it, but I dont idolize or ascribe the title of "legendary" to musicians. Her music may have been good, and she might've had a good voice, but that's not worthy of any special treatment, at least from me.

And to Kortini-- I respect your position, and your past.

But the reason she was even on that Diane Sawyer special was because of her extraordinary vocal talent, and her manufactured image as "America's Sweetheart," something no other Black woman could ever claim on the scale she could-- before or since.

"Society sooner or later must return to its lost leader, the cultured and fascinating liar..." (Spaghedeity)

Dementa I TOTALLY Disagree with you.

Tigerliilly & Good Kiddance--less so.

The pressures on this girl (because that's what she was when this started-- a teenaged girl) were horrendous.

An astronomical gift
A stage mother whose career she could surpass
A controlling Svengali manager who had recently
1. CRUSHED a talemted, name R&B singer (Phyllis Hyman) he'd inherited when he took over Arista for refusing to pursue the big-voiced pop career he'd envisioned as his next big find
2. Had seen his position jeopardized at Arista with the decline of Barry Manilow & had already trashed his CBS records legend for being fired for embezzling from the company to decorate his house and finance his son't bar mitzvah
3. Who had a "key man" clause added to his contract upon discovering the teenaged Whitney and devoting two years to re-creating her voice (more pop) and image (more accessible to white pop-music buyers, which at the height of her success (80's through "I Will Always Love You" alienated the black audiences for whom this gospel-trained singer from the suburbs of Newark felt the greatest affinity; culturally and musically. None of which she was allowed to express

All this and she had to hide the fact that she was gay too while being thrust into superstardom (not a Lindsay Lohan level-moment). Whitney was being sold as the IT Crossover girl-- the black girl with the big voice that could be sold as the girl next door, and groomed for a love-story blockbuster with an A-list movie star without race being an issue.

I couldnt sustain that kind of pressure. I am black and gay, and just the racial machinations alone would have crushed me. Let alone the parental disapproval of my "preference," the business insistence that I keep it on the down low, or the religious guilt and torment she clearly suffered all her life. Just being called "Whitey Houston" by my black industry peers if I had her background, which was solidly black culturally, would have been devastating.

Which is why I think she turned to Bobby Brown, who was at the top of his game, "authentically" black, and a street rat. With the cancelled concerts to prove that he was as into drug-induced escapism as she was.

My heart went out to her when she died.

"Society sooner or later must return to its lost leader, the cultured and fascinating liar..." (Spaghedeity)

"I am not really a crazy psycho. I swear." Nicki Minaj. ________________________________________________________________

I'm an atheist, but the rest of my family are strict baptists. I have tranny friends, bi friends, gays and gayelles, pansexuals, people questioning their sexuality, and then there's asexual me. They just like the fact that I have friends who want to inspire me and see the best in me. My grandfather comes from the Deep South, Mississsippi I think, and he's seen friends being lynched just because of their skin color, and refuses to be a part of the culture of hate. I think my family has instilled a bit of intellectualism in their religion and doesn't just blindly follow. So I get a bit upset when people make sweeping generalizations that all theists are hateful. But maybe in the case of Whitney, maybe. I could care less about her or her family though. I don't own any of her music so I don't see what's so "legendary" about her besides the infamous Diane sawyer interview.

WAAHHH WAAHH WAHHHH Whitney only was a crack-addled loon because she was gay, and it's all her evil religious family's family! I shall spew bigoted nonsense about how it's aaaaaallll religion's fault and absolve her of all responsibility!

Please. She was a drug addict and a bitch because she WAS. I don't have any compassion for her after hearing about her antics. She was by all accounts a horrible person.

Does Cissy have her priorities all wrong? Yes. But stop acting like "Nippy" was some sort of poor angelic martyr, or that her drug addiction had nothing to do with being a spoiled celebrity and everything to do with Evil Repressive Religion.

Cissy was undoubtedly a huge bitch. But who cares? I hold Blohan accountable for her decisions because she's a grown-ass woman who doesn't get to blame her shitty parents for all her problems in life. Whitney Houston doesn't either. You can be screwed up, sure, but you should be held accountable for your own decisions.

And I love how people hold Oprah accountable for not coming out, but insist it's ALL RELIGION/CISSY'S FAULT that Whitney was closeted. Shouldn't you be making the same bleeding-heart arguments for that chubby lesbo? Or perhaps blaming Whitney for not doing so?

And to the person who blames religion for how MJ turned out: are you fucking kidding me? So that's the ONLY thing you blame his fucked-uppedness on, and not the constant abuse his dad poured out, and his mom standing by and doing nothing? Are you high, or are you just one of those crappy people who likes to blame everything on religion?

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I'm here to kick ass and drink tea. And I'm all out of tea.

Very few people who reach the superstardom stratosphere that Whitney attained can cope in a healthy manner. It doesnt seem to make any difference their upbringing. The world has been littered with the drug ridden bodies of the supremely talented and popular. Michael, Elvis, Marilyn, James brown, jimi Hendrix, Keith Richards, Eddie van Halen, Janis Joplin, Kurt Cobain, Jim Morrison, Judy Garland etc etc etc.

Submitted by Tigerlilly on Tue, 01/29/2013 - 8:02pm

And maybe too many options was really her downfall.

I don't remember her spiritual retreat. Was that some Oprah thing? Also, why do people go to India, the Amazon and Israel for these 'retreats'?

Submitted by misslainey on Tue, 01/29/2013 - 7:47pm.
Submitted by Tigerlilly on Tue, 01/29/2013 - 7:18pm.
Submitted by misslainey on Tue, 01/29/2013 - 7:01pm.
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I understand what you're saying, and I agree somewhat, but it just seems to me that few people can 'cope' these days--especially in our advanced, Western society. I personally believe that our problem is we have no problems, so we invent problems to worry about.

I'm not taking Whitney's death,or others like her lightly. It is a sad shame, but the bottom line is, she chose her path in life. Her mother may have been a bitch on wheels, but she may not have been. Whitney may not have been able to deal with being a lesbian, but that may not have been her issue. Maybe she was a spoiled Princess who couldn't live up to that image, but regardless she made a choice. It's too late for her, and speculating about what went wrong does nothing to change facts. What we can do is look at her life as a cautionary tale and hopefully learn from her mistakes.
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I get what you are saying, and I agree too for the most part. Yes, we are speculating. Very much so, and fact is it changes nothing. She's dead. She did waste A LOT of talent and opportunities because of the choices she made whether or not they boiled down to options.
The truth is, the wealthy have options the less privileged don't have. If I had a cocaine problem, could I afford the best help money could buy? No, I could not. I could not afford any help, in fact. So, yeah. That part chaps my ass about celebrities and rich folks in general. But that's ASSUMING that these people have adaptable coping skills. They don't always and I don't think Whitney did. She tried and failed so miserably (remember that weird 'spiritual retreat' in some foreign land-I want to say Israel- she took ages ago? Migration fail). That makes me feel sad for her.

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Submitted by Tigerlilly on Tue, 01/29/2013 - 7:18pm.
Submitted by misslainey on Tue, 01/29/2013 - 7:01pm.
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I understand what you're saying, and I agree somewhat, but it just seems to me that few people can 'cope' these days--especially in our advanced, Western society. I personally believe that our problem is we have no problems, so we invent problems to worry about.

I'm not taking Whitney's death,or others like her lightly. It is a sad shame, but the bottom line is, she chose her path in life. Her mother may have been a bitch on wheels, but she may not have been. Whitney may not have been able to deal with being a lesbian, but that may not have been her issue. Maybe she was a spoiled Princess who couldn't live up to that image, but regardless she made a choice. It's too late for her, and speculating about what went wrong does nothing to change facts. What we can do is look at her life as a cautionary tale and hopefully learn from her mistakes.

Submitted by Lucifer_Sam on Tue, 01/29/2013 - 7:35pm.
Submitted by Tigerlilly on Tue, 01/29/2013 - 7:19pm.

I know you love a good mouf-ful, ma chère petit tigre. ;-)
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Ha! TROOF talk.
I love how shitty parents get a pass just because the fucked up shit they did affects their offspring far beyond childhood. No, bitches. If I fuck up in my job, I don't get a break if my fuck up causes future fuck ups. Granted, eventually some poor fuck needs to catch the fuck up and fix that mess but it doesn't delete the fact that I started the whole cluster fuck. I would not get a break for that and neither should the likes of this cunt or MJ's psycho-abusive so called father.
Every tree starts as a damn fuckin' seed.

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Submitted by Tigerlilly on Tue, 01/29/2013 - 7:19pm.

I know you love a good mouf-ful, ma chère petit tigre. ;-)

I'm not sure Cissy had realistic expectations for Whitney. Drugs and alcohol were in the family before she and her brother were on the scene. It was also prevalent in their neighborhood. Throw in Cissy's religious beliefs and standards, good luck with that. Cissy's drug: Jaysus. Nippy's drug: Weed, crack, what else you got?

Submitted by Lucifer_Sam on Tue, 01/29/2013 - 7:16pm.
She's as great a mother as Joe Jackson is a father.
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THANK YOU! You said a MOUF-FULL!

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Submitted by misslainey on Tue, 01/29/2013 - 7:01pm.
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Life is about choices but also coping mechanisms. When faced with adversity, you choose a coping mechanism. Sometimes it is good and healthy; sometimes it's BAD. Your environment as well as your genes play a role. Intelligence, for example is highly heritable. Addiction and mental illness can be too. It's not really as simple as "well if so and so can do it so can you" because each person is an individual. All living organisms have 3 options: Adapt, Migrate or Die. Options are not the same as choices but choices boil down to options. Whitney wasn't very adaptive. Migration didn't work. She died.

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Sorry, Roger, you are tiger now...

She's as great a mother as Joe Jackson is a father.

I don't get it- how badly does Cissy need the $$? So all of a sudden she's broke? So vulgar to sell out your own child, so fucking vulgar.

* what goes down, must come up ***

Submitted by LASux on Tue, 01/29/2013 - 5:54pm.
Oprah should've asked her if she would rather Nippy be gay and sober or straight & using.
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Whether she'd say it or not, she'd rather the latter. Ignorance and intolerance like hers knows no bounds. Trust me, I know. My mother is the same. I'm not gay; I love me some peen, but if I were, it wouldn't shock me at all if my mother preferred for me to be dead. Fortunately, I no longer give a fuck what that crazy woman thinks nor do I have any respect for her as a human being or a mother. HOWEVER, she was the woman who gave birth to me and raised me, so I DO honor her. I care about what happens to her and I would do anything for her, but I do not love or respect her for good reason. Realizing that and coming to terms with that probably saved my life...It definitley saved my sanity. Maybe Whitney was in the same boat? I dunno.

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Are we really blaming Whitney's drug use, Jesus, Bobby, being a closet gayelle, insert any other excuse? How about the fact that she chose to do drugs and chose not to get help?

I'm sick of this whiny pantsed generation that blames everything and everyone else on their poor choices. I have relatives and friends who are gay, whose families didn't speak to them and they did not waste their lives boozing and drugging.bthey somehow managrpe to hold down jobs and be productive.

There are plenty of people who had fucked up childhoods and fucked up parents who lived in fucked up neighborhoods who still managed to go to school, join the military or somehow get out of their desperate situations without being a crackhead.

Sorry, but I ain't buying the 'Poor Whitney, raised by a born again Christian who repressed her carpet munching tendencies'. Bullshit.

Life is about making choices and owning up to those choices. It's also about accepting the consequences of those actions. If you did it, pull up your big girl/boy panties and own up to it. My mother always said to me, 'Do what you're big and bad enough to do, but always remember payday's coming.'

“I finally faced the fact that it isn`t a crime not having friends. Being alone means you have fewer problems.”
-Whitney Houston

I'd be a little disappointed if my daughter was a gayelle. I'd work my damndest to get over it and never reveal the same to her.

And Oprah knew the answer to that question.

Sarah Smile

Oprah should've asked her if she would rather Nippy be gay and sober or straight & using.

Submitted by WithinReason... on Tue, 01/29/2013 - 5:36pm.

Submitted by mike on Tue, 01/29/2013 - 5:24pm.
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It's surprising how much people tend open up when a book launch is involved, isn't it? She makes some good points but Whitney's gone, nothing can be done now... but sell books... smdh

Tacky as fuck.

Hopefully it means Bobbi Kristina isn't sharing any of the money that she inherited.

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It's surprising how much people tend open up when a book launch is involved, isn't it? She makes some good points but Whitney's gone, nothing can be done now... but sell books... smdh

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*intolerant retard*- "Of course Whitney got into drugs, she was raised a Christian"

JJJ-" Well we don't know if her religion caused that, there are tons of celebs that do drugs"

*intolerant retard*- "Cissy is an egomaniac, terrible parent and pimped out useless bitch"

JJJ- "Well actually she sang many hits back in the day"

*intolerant retard*- "JJJ you're a hateful troll, get off this site created by a gay man and that has gay people posting here."

Yea, and it's the liberals that aren't intolerant or hateful. ~rolls eyes~

It's kinda funny that she airs her opinions on Whitney's choices. Whitney obviously didn't much care what her mother thought was best for her.

Cissy don't mess around. She's keeping it real. Agree with others let Whitney be!

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I dont give a rats ass how "religious" you are, you dont disown your child period. One of my cousins is a lesbian, and while my aunt isnt overjoyed about it she still loves her as much as all her other kids. Its disgusting that hateful bigots like Cissy even get to have kids.

Well, I appreciate Cissy's honesty even if I don't support the sentiment. I hate these Boomer parents who pretend that they'd be all cool and down with their kid being gay but when it actually happens, they melt down. Cissy could, now that Nippy's dead, pretend that she loved Robyn and was totally jivin' with the gayelle business but she's truthful enough to admit that she wouldn't have been happy with it.

That said, I do think that if Whit had been out and proud, the likelihood of her getting so deep into drugs would have been much diminished. Tragic that a beautiful Lez with a delightful voice died a tortured crackie, in great part ~ I believe ~ bc of her mother's and community's disapproval.

Submitted by Mel-Tang on Tue, 01/29/2013 - 2:22pm.

Lol!! That's exactly how that interview went down. Cissy don't play, even with Oafree (that's how my nana pronounces it).
As for Whitney's preferences, it's her own business, but she definitely was into Bobby B. physically, emotionally, you name it. If you watch their reality show, I highly recommend it if you like reality tv (they are still my fave) and you'll see her groping him all the time. IMO she was much more attracted to him than he to her. So she was possibly bi. It sucks that her mom and Oprah pick her apart like this, I agree with the fact that Oprah is a user. Leave her alone she's dead let her rest, let Bobbi Christina have peace.

"older than Methuselah" LMAO

I remember reading that on the day of Bobby's and Whitney's wedding people were on watch for Robyn. She was extremely upset. It was in the Enquirer or one of those magazines.

The worse is that all these years the family & everyone basically claimed that Bobby got her hooked on drugs..Meanwhile it was her very own brother.. 2 decades later we find out... Whitney is like 7 yrs older than Bobby.. He was like 20-21 and she was in her late 20's.. They both were probably getting high.. But he was demonized. I remember Being Bobby Brown, I was shocked that she was bitchy and he was actually nice.

Loved that fucking show...Kiss my ass

Submitted by Cookie_Monster_ on Tue, 01/29/2013 - 2:09pm.
Oh please, she was just being honest. No good mother on Earth would hope their kid was a lezbo. Good parents want what's best for a kid, and for them to be healthy, non-deviant and sane.
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Bwaaahaahaaahaaaahaaa!!!

I know even you were chuckling while typing that one. Dear Kookie.

I just discovered that Cissy Houston's maiden name was "Emily Drinkard".

No, Cookie, millions are wrong because they use selected pieces of an unproven book to discriminate people against all credible scientific information. The same book used to mantain the 'opinion' that black people were worth less, and that women should be submissive to men.

Togo

I think it was a nickname because she was mischievous as a little girl and it was her dad who called her that. I don't get it either but that's what I read.

I don't think Bobby made her "bad" because she was making some bad life choices from her teen age years and in fact, was banging a married Jermaine Jackson. She was no angel.

Clive Davis had good spin doctors who made her look angelic but she was very unstable all her life it seems. I read once where poor Angela Bassett was basically tormented by her. nippy was a hot mess for years.

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@que cochina - YES, THAT WAS MY SCIENTIFIC PAPER!!

JJJ is a troll - where have some of you folks been?

I think bambam just outed himself.

Hekki, I will be constantly looking at men now to check out their neck situation.

I myself, am a raging homosexual. But everyone knows that.

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Why "Nippy"? What the fuck does it even mean?

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Yes, it's common knowledge where I'm from that Whit was gay. Bobby was more like a drug brother. They partied, had the kid, traveled, fought, etc. but when it came to who she really was, there was Robin.
Sure, she couldn't really come out with that religious mom of hers. She depended on Cissy for constant support. They spoke several times a day...
Whitney coming out would have been like Michael Jackson admitting he fancied young boys. It wasn't going to happen

But living a lie is one cause for the desire to numb it all out with drugs and booze. I know so many closeted homosexuals who near died from overdoses. When they finally came out, many got clean and sober too..
Whitney was far gone and destined to die young...it was sad to see her, and many others fall from grace....

What's the shock?!? They're deeply religious...Baptist? So, yeah, the olds in the old school religions ... would rather their daughter be with an abusive cracked out DUDE, than with the decent, sober person they actually love....if it happens to be the same gender. Fucked up shit.

My vision of world peace: a chicken in every pot, and pot for all us chickens...and weasels.

Submitted by JimiJanisJim on Tue, 01/29/2013 - 2:55pm.
Submitted by Bda on Tue, 01/29/2013 - 2:09pm.

Cissy is the reason her kids were fucked up and that all of them were on drugs.

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Unless you were a fly on the wall in the Houston household during the years that Cissy and her husband were raising their three children, you have no right to say what the Hell went on. You are speaking out of your ass. I have never, ever read or heard any info that suggests that Cissy wasn't a good parent to her children.

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How about the fact that she's pimping out her daughter's memory for some cold, hard cash and being a small minded cunt while doing it.

JJJ- this is a site created and written by an openly gay man with countless readers and commenters who are also openly gay. Your outdated, hateful opinions and the shit you've spewed below today is not going to go too far here. Rein it the fuck in.

You make me hate my hips! I hate my hips!