Elmo Loses His Voice As Another Accuser Drops From The Sky (UPDATE)

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Submitted by bambam on Wed, 11/21/2012 - 5:28pm.

I was trying to counter posters who are foaming at the mouth characterizing Clash as some kind of devious predator lurking in the shadows .

You won't find me disagreeing with your examples at all, I'll even add two more, the book and movie Lolita and the movie American Beauty with Kevin Spacey and Mena Suvari.

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Just have to add that Lolita was very scandalous at the time the book came out and when they originally made the movie. They had to be very careful with the script and filming because it was such a scandal.

Muppet Rape. That is all.

Submitted by Glambert on Wed, 11/21/2012 - 7:08am.

Submitted by bambam on Wed, 11/21/2012 - 4:25am.
@ Glambert,

Thank you. I was hoping someone gay (I assume, please forgive if I'm wrong) would enlighten the less worldly here about how common young and older gay men hooking up is. Clash was stupid as hell jeopardizing his position but he ain't necessarily a perv. These young twinks knew what they were getting into and wanted to. It's a gay thing and a male thing.
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Actually you ignored half of what I had to say!

Yes there is plenty of older gay men looking for younger guys but that is also the case among the heteros as well. Middle aged straight guys go after young legal girls with "daddy issues" as well!

And lets not forget the middle aged "cougars"!
The word "cougar" as referring to older women seeking younger peen is newer vernacular but the act itself isn't anything new at all. And plenty of horny teenage straight boys lust after older women just like teenage gay boys lust after older men! (Stacy's Mom, and Hot For Teacher are both popular songs about the subject)

Don't try to make this kind of "age" thing a sole gay male issue because that is bullshit.
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Sorry, that wasn't my intention at all. I was trying to counter posters who are foaming at the mouth characterizing Clash as some kind of devious predator lurking in the shadows twisting his mustache and going muhuhuwahahahah.

You won't find me disagreeing with your examples at all, I'll even add two more, the book and movie Lolita and the movie American Beauty with Kevin Spacey and Mena Suvari.

My point was that relationships like this are probably higher within the gay community than in the straight community percentage wise, and that the participants are often more willing than not.

No argument here that Clash was dead wrong in this but the issue isn't simply black or white, there's a huge gray area regarding it.

People arguing how wrong it is are either simply unaware or just plain ignoring how common it's been in societies throughout recorded history in my opinion, in both gay and straight culture.

Me personally, I try to take that into consideration.

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Glambert, you make very good points. I see this as gender neutral too. It is fortunate that your own experience was that of a young person exploring your sexuality. As you say, it could be very common among young people today to be aggressive and pursue others. Regardless of whether this is the case here, I still would hate for a victim, to be lumped in with golddigger trash. Maybe it's unrealistic but I want to give people the benefit of the doubt. Jmo and you know I'm commenting to everyone as well, not just what you said. I fully agree that this can happen with women, men, gay or straight and that either side could be the aggressor. Their looks are of no importance imo but sooner or later proof will need to be presented if this ever reaches an actual judge.

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I co-sign Grover finally getting to lip-synch for. his. LIFE. as the true star of Sesame Streek. In fact, I bet he orchestrated this entire scandal to get Elmo out of the way. Nomi Malone ain't got shit on Grover.

Pretty sad when someone of this stature has to go on chat lines to find a date. Plus what is it about some people that they have to destroy a good gig by doing sicko stuff like boning minors?!
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Cockadouche!

children should not be on gay chat lines, and since they chose to be on gay chat lines, because they are gay, choosing to meet older gay men, and are still gay, I highly doubt they are "traumatized".

now dude is still wrong for messing with them young children....leave underage people alone!!

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A typo!? Like, oops he's 24 and not 'in his 30's'. And oops, it happened in 2003 and not 1993? Oh this shit is getting fucked up. Lawyers don't make critical typos for no reason.

Submitted by bambam on Wed, 11/21/2012 - 4:25am.
@ Glambert,

Thank you. I was hoping someone gay (I assume, please forgive if I'm wrong) would enlighten the less worldly here about how common young and older gay men hooking up is. Clash was stupid as hell jeopardizing his position but he ain't necessarily a perv. These young twinks knew what they were getting into and wanted to. It's a gay thing and a male thing.
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Actually you ignored half of what I had to say!

Yes there is plenty of older gay men looking for younger guys but that is also the case among the heteros as well. Middle aged straight guys go after young legal girls with "daddy issues" as well!

And lets not forget the middle aged "cougars"!
The word "cougar" as referring to older women seeking younger peen is newer vernacular but the act itself isn't anything new at all. And plenty of horny teenage straight boys lust after older women just like teenage gay boys lust after older men! (Stacy's Mom, and Hot For Teacher are both popular songs about the subject)

Don't try to make this kind of "age" thing a sole gay male issue because that is bullshit.

@ Glambert,

Thank you. I was hoping someone gay (I assume, please forgive if I'm wrong) would enlighten the less worldly here about how common young and older gay men hooking up is. Clash was stupid as hell jeopardizing his position but he ain't necessarily a perv. These young twinks knew what they were getting into and wanted to. It's a gay thing and a male thing.

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Submitted by Green Tea Latte on Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:24am.
Well well well...and to think people were defending this perv... Smoke there's fire, unclean milk yadda yadda...
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Which TOTALLY explains why these two supposed "victims" went after MONEY years later instead of contacting the police and pressing criminal charges right?

Prove the dude who voices Elmo is a "perv" honey!
There is no proof he did anything wrong other than exercise poor judgement by liking younger guys who are both clearly TRASH!

Many people like younger LEGAL aged lovers.(both gay and straight people and both male and females)

This is nothing new. The problem for Kevin is that he likes younger legal same sex TRASH and worked on a children's tv show!

Submitted by Tootie Ramsey on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 9:43pm.
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I agree with EVERYTHING YOU WROTE!

Well, well, well, a few people called this one correctly. Hmmmmmm....................

Glad they canned his ass.

Submitted by salacious on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 7:29pm.
That reminds me of the story some guy told me.
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That is some Marquise de Sade plotline for real.

Well well well...and to think people were defending this perv... Smoke there's fire, unclean milk yadda yadda...

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Submitted by Tigerlilly on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 9:11pm.
Submitted by boredasfuckyo on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 8:58pm.
Submitted by Tigerlilly on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 8:47pm.
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I still think it's stupid and disgusting to compare what Sandusky's victims went through to what these attention whores did. Sandusky used his power and authority to sexually abused his victims, these boys didn't want it to happen to them, but they felt as if they had no choice and were powerless to stop it....This wasn't the case, by the admittance of both these guys it was consensual.
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"First of all, it was NOT consensual under the law."
Depending on what state your in. It could very well BE. You say we don't know, but, to me, logically, okay why would they go to the law and then the media and then get a lawyer for a payment setup? If it's ongoing why would Clash agree? Why would they agree? And wouldn't it be illegal in Guy 1's case if he has gone to the police, considering he recanted? Wouldn't that be considered filing a false report? I mean his own legal team dumped him.

"Secondly, we DON'T KNOW what happened in EITHER case detail by detail. What if some of Sandusky's victims did consent?"
Look at the position Sandusky held with these kids. Sandusky was seen as someone to look up to for the boys he abused. It wouldn't have been hard to manipulate them.

"If you don't like the law then propose to change it. The law does not discriminate against minors who you don't approve of."

If they were Minors. The first guy already recanted once.

I never said I have an issue with the law. However, you are forgetting one thing. In regards to all your preaches of "IT'S TEH LAW! Where did Clash's victim's go to? A LAW FIRM and the media. Then recanted. You're also forgetting that "TEH LAW" also has a statue of limitations. By your own definition class would be cleared of wrong doing due to the progression of time, but oh, it's the law ya'know.

"I would be willing to bet if you knew ALL of the history of ALL OF Jerry Sandusky's accusers you would throw shade on them too, including his own adopted son who they allege stole from Sandusky after his conviction...AND didn't come forward himself until after his father's conviction. Do you believe his son? I do."

Well....the fact that Joe Paterno came forward saying that he knew and even reported it, but nothing was done, and that he resigned because he felt as if he should have done more to stop it, the fact that other adults knew about the abuse FOR YEARS and finally came forward is another deal entirely to account for credibility now isn't it? It's not simply, oh, you know all these kids from questionable back grounds could be lying...how do you account for people within the system finally admitting they knew what was going on and kept quiet until the whistle was blown? Come on.

I personally find disdain with this story for the simple fact that, I know personal victims of abuse, and this shit sickens me because I don't think anyone was a fucking victim.

Clash isn't innocent in this. Even if those guys lied to him and said they were 18 at MOST, he was still twice their age, so a red flag probably should have went off.
The fact that he resigned isn't really an admission of his guilt. Once you're painted as a pedo and a perv, truth or false, it's GAME OVER for a lot of people.

And it's fine, I know you mean no disrespect. Just a debate. We agree to disagree. We see different sides of the spectrum. You are going on law alone. I am going on just straight up logic and what makes sense and what doesn't make sense in my opinion. Casey Anthony was legally cleared of murdering her kid...Now, if you ask public opinion about was she TRULY innocent, you'd get mixed reviews. Even though she was legally cleared. Not all laws make sense. And victimization is just one of those things that gets thrown around too loosely, and I dislike it. And I sometimes think that based on how "laws" are set up, it's actually hard for REAL victims to come forward.

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Submitted by Dgrin on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 8:07pm.
...older teen predators, they offer you access,money and a life you can't provide for yourself at that age, which usually sounds really intriguing to a teenager who is looking for a way out and a quick way into maturity,sex,drugs,booze and the good life but it's pretty clear even to a 5 year old child that these humans are bad wolves in wolf clothing.
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MK, YOU are a SEXO ESCANDALOSO and yes, put that "sucio bitch (Elmo) in prison" the grunty perv!

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ITA, Tigerlilly (very level-headed), as well as others.

I'd like to give all three the benefit of the doubt until all the facts are in. However, it's still very shady that an older dude is getting with much much younger people. If it turns out any of them were underage, consensual or not, legal or not, common or not, whether boys or girls, I hope he faces the consequences of those actions. Until then, I'm ticked at Sesame Street for being so WORRIED about their precious rep. They're right of course, no matter what they do, someone will be unhappy, but they seem callous, imo. I'd like this to be a little LESS about Elmo and MORE about the people involved so they can get to the bottom of this as soon as possible.

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Tigerlilly,

I respect what you're saying, but Clash's resignation doesn't indicate anything, but what we already knew through common sense. Once one is accused of something like this, especially, when it relates to someone who works with children... game over. It's only a matter of time before you are forced to quit, whether you're guilty or not. Sesame had millions (of dollars) of reasons to fire him if they'd found evidence of him doing more than emailing the first guy (who was an adult at the time) with a company account. They didn't find any reason to. He presumably resigned, knowing that the payout to the first, is like the scent of carrion to other vultures. He knows he can never do his job again, without someone questioning anytime he is near children. In the 2012 climate, Elmo was already "ruined" for a lot of ignorant people, as soon as it became widely on the table that a gay man is the creator of a beloved children's character. Toss pedophile accusations into it... "ruined," even if they get another actor/puppeteer. Wouldn't be surprised if Sesame retires the character.

Based upon what you're saying...with regards to what's possible based upon what we do and don't know through media reporting, then it is also possible that these men are lying through their teeth, looking for a payday. Someone like Kevin Clash is an optimal target for blackmail. I'm willing to consider that he did it, but there's more indication that he didn't, than there is that he did...based upon what's known.

Submitted by RandéSleepover on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 9:44pm.
Submitted by dahotwon on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 6:26pm.
So wait...why is it that people who have been "abused" by famous people go to a law office before going to a police station?

I'll offer a few reasons: (1) It's easier to prove a civil case. (2) They're looking to hurt the perp financially, not put him in prison or make him a felon. (3) It's too late to file a criminal case. (4) They're hoping to get a quiet settlement, without being dragged through the mud.
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and what is wrong with any of those reasons? Put yourself in the shoes of the alleged victims. Until you've walked in those shoes, I say don't judge. Would you like to go to court, face your rapist, recount in front of a packed courtroom, detail by detail what was done to you, wondering all the time if the jury believes you? Would you like to do that? No. No one does.

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Submitted by dahotwon on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 6:26pm.
So wait...why is it that people who have been "abused" by famous people go to a law office before going to a police station?

I'll offer a few reasons: (1) It's easier to prove a civil case. (2) They're looking to hurt the perp financially, not put him in prison or make him a felon. (3) It's too late to file a criminal case. (4) They're hoping to get a quiet settlement, without being dragged through the mud.

Submitted by Tigerlilly on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 9:11pm.
Submitted by boredasfuckyo on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 8:58pm.
Submitted by Tigerlilly on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 8:47pm.

First of all, it was NOT consensual under the law. Secondly, we DON'T KNOW what happened in EITHER case detail by detail. What if some of Sandusky's victims did consent? We don't know that they didn't BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MATTER UNDER THE LAW!
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Tootie,
We don't know that they didn't go to the police. We can only assume they didn't because the media hasn't gotten ahold of it. In fact, we don't know that there is not a criminal investigation going on PRIOR to these two claims. I'm not saying there is, I'm not. I'm just saying it's possible. Likely? I dunno. Possible? Oh hell yes, especially given Elmo's resignation.

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How much you want to bet more are going to come forward? I bet Clash has been paying them off for years.

As for the victims being shady, so what? It's pretty well documented that pervs "groom" certain types of kids. They don't pick kids/teens from great homes. They pick the ones who already have problems. In the perve's eyes, they are angels of mercy helping the disenfranchised.

Wonder if Elmo the character will be retired.

and boredasfuck,
I'm not trying to be disrespectful to you or bait you or whatever. I'm not. I just strongly disagree with you on principle. I'm not interested in who's wrong or who's right because we don't have all the facts. This is just opinion vs. opinion. I just disagree with yours considering the information we have to go on. I STRONGLY disagree, but I'm not gonna get my panties in a wad about it and call you names and such cuz you do have a point that I can't discredit. I just want you to know that.

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The first one went to Sesame Workshop to demand money. Did not file with the police. Fuckery ensued. Second one did the same, and has the nerve to claim that he's just realized he was damaged, even though his argument is based around the fact that he supposedly was on sex chat at 15 (fucker's been damaged for a millennia, which is why he can readily jump in on this bandwagon). Neither went to the police, because they are not concerned about justice for a wrong-doing, or preventing others from enduring inappropriate behavior. There was none. They want money. Period.

I'm among the first to want to see pedophiles have their man/lady parts cut off and handed back to them via the esophagus. However, it doesn't appear that Kevin Clash is guilty of anything other than using poor judgement in the adult mates he chose for consensual relations. Clash can't continue his career, even though it's more than likely that he slept with these men, only as consenting adults, and none of other claims are true. That stinks, but he is still to blame for all of this. Straight, Gay or Bi... you choose to sleep with catty, immature, materialistic bitches... it's going to come back and bite you in the ass, sooner or later. If your job has allowed you to acquire a huge amount of money, fame, and respect and/or you're attached to the second most famous Children's brand in the world... you can count on it being sooner. And your Muppet will be bitten in the ass, too.

Submitted by boredasfuckyo on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 8:58pm.
Submitted by Tigerlilly on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 8:47pm.
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I still think it's stupid and disgusting to compare what Sandusky's victims went through to what these attention whores did. Sandusky used his power and authority to sexually abused his victims, these boys didn't want it to happen to them, but they felt as if they had no choice and were powerless to stop it....This wasn't the case, by the admittance of both these guys it was consensual.
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First of all, it was NOT consensual under the law. Secondly, we DON'T KNOW what happened in EITHER case detail by detail. What if some of Sandusky's victims did consent? We don't know that they didn't BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MATTER UNDER THE LAW!
Just like a minor can't vote or sign a contract, he/she can't consent to sex under the law. If you don't like the law then propose to change it. The law does not discriminate against minors who you don't approve of.
I would be willing to bet if you knew ALL of the history of ALL OF Jerry Sandusky's accusers you would throw shade on them too, including his own adopted son who they allege stole from Sandusky after his conviction...AND didn't come forward himself until after his father's conviction. Do you believe his son? I do.

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Submitted by Tigerlilly on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 8:47pm.
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I still think it's wrong to compare what Sandusky's victims went through to what these attention whores did. They felt as if they had no choice and were powerless to stop it....This wasn't the case, by the admittance of both these guys it was a consensual relationship.

Also, about the phone sex thing, that was the second guy. The first guy's family said he was shady, and from what I got from it, it wasn't one of those 1900 phone sex, he wasn't being paid to hooker his voice out. It was a chatline.They are pretty much what people call party lines.

I remember my sister talking on those a few years back. She found a free one, but back in the late 80s/early 90s whenever this shit came out, they got a lot of heat for the extremely high rates they tagged on. And, a lot of teenagers used them as well. You never knew who was the other end.

I stuck to chatrooms as a teen. And made sure to stay away from any creeps looking for my "N00DS".

You never know what you're getting in to with shit like that. Years back the search engine company Yahoo Inc. shut their personal user rooms on their messenger and chat service because some young girl met someone offline from one of those said rooms and ended up getting murdered.

People really need to fucking watch what their kids do.

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I'm TEAM WHAMO on this. I'm sorry, this is some Jerry Sandusky shit. Do you think ALL of HIS accusers had STERLING reps? No, they did not. That's one reason why they didn't want their names in the media and why they waited so long to come forward.
Those kids came from troubled homes. Is it such a stretch to imagine that these 'rough around the edges' Elmo accusing kids did too?
Oh, you want to say "his own family said this and this about him" Ok, you mean the same family who produced a teenaged phone whore? Yeah, they are ones to talk. How many teenaged phone whores did your family produce? Let's put those family members under the microscope and see how well THEY fare in the credibility game.
I don't think a psychologically healthy underaged boy or girl who grew up in a nurturing, loving home all the sudden says, "Oh, I'm going to be a phone whore grifter."
Yes, there are exceptions, MOST of those are mentally ill or straight up psychopaths which is relatively rare and usually not diagnosable until 18 years of age.
Also, we don't know what kind of sick shit or mind games Elmo played with these alleged victims. Can a prostitute not be raped? Are we THAT backwards to say these people were NOT violated as underaged people regardless of when and why they picked up the phone to talk to this perv?
Just because someone abused these kids before Elmo did does not make Elmo any less culpable. And just because we don't like the way the kid looks or what he did before or after the event does not necessarily make him any less a victim.

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Submitted by Team Valtrex on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 5:27pm.
I think that the biggest victim in all of this is Elmo. He's had a dude's forearm wedged up his ass since 1984.
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Yeah, but they met on a gay chat line in 1983, so Elmo was basically ASKING FOR IT!

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Sorry, Roger, you are tiger now...

Pedos are heinous, yada yada yada...

People who come from the woodwork and try to profit for millions of dollars over fossilized happenings don't rank very high in my book either; however...

It was smart for Sesame to berid themselves of Pedo Clash. What else can I say?

Submitted by boredasfuckyo on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 7:32pm.
Submitted by Whamo on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 7:18pm.
Submitted by boredasfuckyo on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 6:58pm.
Submitted by Whamo on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 6:05pm.

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Buuuuuut I'm sorry you can't keep up with advanced vocabulary, I'll try to stick to "genreal" terms next time.
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Oh I see I had a typo, I guess I'M not perfect like yourself.

Yes you and your "advance vocabulary" are by far too much for me and your intellectual prowess is astounding. You've proven your IQ is off the chart with every comment you've ever made and every point you make should be written in stone and placed on a pedestal.

Here's a word for you... Hubris.

You have yourself a nice day smartasfuck

Edit...by the way I didn't change my opinion at all, I said IMO Clash was guilty of fucking on that underage kid from the get go. As a matter of fact I took a little shit for suggesting it. I thought that then and I think that now.

Didn't read the comments yet, and I'm sure someone must've mentioned gay phone chatline at 15? What?

When you fuck with trade this is the kind of thing that happens, especially when you have money. I don't know if Kevin is a pederast or not, but he needs to settle in because he's getting ready to star in his very own episode of "This Is Your Life". It's raining twink trade all over his world.
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Submitted by salacious on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 7:29pm.

You photo i.d. if you've any doubt. Seriously.

in my country 16 is legal(you get a licence, people trust you to drive a car!!!)..i'm a (mostly) gay guy and i had my "body awakening" at the age of 12, by 13(even earlier) i was able to make the right decisions for what i did or did not want to do with my body by age 14 i decided i should first learn the mechanics of my body before sharing it with other people, needless to say i didn't feel emotional prepared or determined to have sex until i was 19(with an 20 year old) when i felt i had made my decisions and it was the right time for me.. anyway as a young boy i was hassled a lot by older teen predators, they offer you access,money and a life you can't provide for yourself at that age, which usually sounds really intriguing to a teenager who is looking for a way out and a quick way into maturity,sex,drugs,booze and the good life but it's pretty clear even to a 5 year old child that these humans are bad wolves in wolf clothing.

Both of the street trash grifters lost all credibility when they didn't go to the police and instead tried to get a quick payday.

I can't wait until grifter #2's rap sheet leaks to the press. I bet it's just as shady as grifter #1's is.

Submitted by jack-n-the-hat on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 7:15pm.
boardassfuck - Oh yes!!!! Awwwww... it comes and goes. All the beer and spicy foods doesn't help... but I'm somehow managing to press on... you?

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Well all those things are on the top 10 list to stay away from Hahaha!

I'm doing okay but sometimes I give in and gorge myself on food I know will kick my ass later, especially when I stress out. Like a comfort I guess?I'm just like fuck it!!!I broke down and bought a chicken bacon ranch pizza, and needless to say I felt like shit later on in the day followed by burning and puking.
And the scary thing is when it comes to acid refluxe is that it can form ulcers and turn in to cancer. It's scary shit.

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"And it don't matter who you are, if I'm doin my job, its your resolve that breaks..Cause the hook brings you back, I ain't tellin you no lie. The hook brings you back, on that you can rely."

Submitted by Whamo on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 7:18pm.
Submitted by boredasfuckyo on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 6:58pm.
Submitted by Whamo on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 6:05pm.

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"Nice rambling, one doesn't need to talk to ever single person on the earth to be able make an opinion or to understand people's genreal point of view"

You're right. Ignorant people jump the gun all the time and place when they judge a book before reading it.
Unless you're insulting the general point of view as being ignorant,I for one do not feel that way, so in an indirect way you must have paid me a compliment.
I like how your opinion changed slightly once the shady background information came pouring on these two, to, well if they were female...yadda yadda yadda
No, they'd still be shady trash. You can't just plug in your idea of how society thinks in place of what I'm telling you my opinion is because it conflicts with what you say. Yes I'm unchanging to my opinion because what you're saying isn't true. I'm telling you not everyone feels that way, because I do not feel that way. I'm not everyone, but I'm certainly not "no one" either. And I know I'm not the only who doesn't agree with that. Posters in this very post expressed they'd think it was JUST AS SHADY had it been two females. I mean come on dude.
I'm sorry you can't keep up with advanced vocabulary, I'll try to stick to "genreal" terms next time.

"I still have no clue what you're talking about and if you think I'm talking about you in the future just let me know

In the meantime you can kiss my fucking ass."

Nah, I'm not like some of the other females here who adore you and everything you say. I think you're quite ignorant, but good job at an attempt at a Burn....I'm dismissing myself from this I.Q. dropping conversation now. You and your non-point have a good day.

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"And it don't matter who you are, if I'm doin my job, its your resolve that breaks..Cause the hook brings you back, I ain't tellin you no lie. The hook brings you back, on that you can rely."

I'd actually be surprised if someone else came forward with some actual proof that non-consensual abuse ever happened. These guys really grabbed all they could from him back them. Still, that doesn't make Clash right, but his relationships to these grifters were arguably consensual.

That reminds me of the story some guy told me. He's 32 now, but about 4 years ago (I didn't know him back then), he hooked up with a girl who was 12 or 13, who was the daughter of some client he had. This is a guy who has 3 daughters, and back then they were 8, 4 and 2.

He said that the girl didn't look that age, she was "fully developed", and she was the one who came on to him, tracked him down and started to call him. She told him she wanted someone to have sex with so she could impress her boyfriend. He went for it (the girl wanted him! how could he refuse?)and it only happened once by his choice, because she continued to call and kept asking him to try again, but he told her it was not going to happen because he had gone back to his wife (they were separated).

He was perfectly fine with telling me the story and practically expected me to hi-five him after he finished. I was shocked and disgusted. I asked him what he thought if some guy approached his daughters with the same intention and he said it had never crossed his mind, but chances are, he'd kill the creep.

I don't know how much of that is bullshit, but what struck me as odd is how months before he told me that story, he told me how he lost his virginity to the house maid, who was in her 30s. He was 12 years old. So I'm guessing there is a pattern to these types of abuse. :S

weird that he looses his job and somebody like Chris Stokes is still allowed to make movies with kids after allegedly raping several young boys from his boy bands over the years. Raz B talks about being molested and coerced into sex at like 15.

Submitted by boredasfuckyo on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 6:58pm.
Submitted by Whamo on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 6:05pm.

IT'S NOT A FACT, have you talked to every single person on the planet to see how they felt on the situation? Because I for one am not akin to partaking in Misandry(male equivalent of misogyny). Also as a "society"? As society based on what and where? Some societies don't allow women to get a higher education or show their faces, does it make it right? Does everyone within that society feel that way? Does it constitute the human species ideology as a whole? Does it make it a fact OR right because it seems like many believe that? No. Not
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Nice rambling, one doesn't need to talk to ever single person on the earth to be able make an opinion or to understand people's genreal point of view

"That SAME DAY, in an open post I read you consoling this person about the incident back and forth, and it doesn't take an idiot to figure out it was about me."

"You don't have a problem kissing ass either."

I still have no clue what you're talking about and if you think I'm talking about you in the future just let me know

In the meantime you can kiss my fucking ass.

boardassfuck - Oh yes!!!! Awwwww... it comes and goes. All the beer and spicy foods doesn't help... but I'm somehow managing to press on... you?

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"Shitty relationships mystify me." ~ mike 09/22/2012

"I'm back. You're Welcome." ~ Kenny Powers

Submitted by Lucifer_Sam on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 7:10pm.

Submitted by jack-n-the-hat on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 5:25pm.
Lu32Cy - lmmfaooooooooooooooooo "A Muppet and his money are soon parted." May I use as my signature, my love?

Why, yes of course, dearest! I'd be honoured to be a mere afterthought to the glorious mullet of Kenny Powers.
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Donkey shame, mi amor....

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"Shitty relationships mystify me." ~ mike 09/22/2012

"I'm back. You're Welcome." ~ Kenny Powers

Submitted by jack-n-the-hat on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 7:08pm.
Submitted by boredasfuckyo on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 7:06pm.

Hi. :) that was me on the bridge issue... or maybe it was when I said suicide was selfish... IDK, but we had a go at it didn't we? Sorry about all that btw.

ok, carry on.
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Yes Jack, but we bonded over our burning gut acid so its all good. How is that going by the way? Did it get any better? I know you said your daughter was struggling with it as well. Puking up stomach bile is noooo bueno!

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"And it don't matter who you are, if I'm doin my job, its your resolve that breaks..Cause the hook brings you back, I ain't tellin you no lie. The hook brings you back, on that you can rely."

Submitted by jack-n-the-hat on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 5:25pm.
Lu32Cy - lmmfaooooooooooooooooo "A Muppet and his money are soon parted." May I use as my signature, my love?

Why, yes of course, dearest! I'd be honoured to be a mere afterthought to the glorious mullet of Kenny Powers.

Submitted by boredasfuckyo on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 7:06pm.

Hi. :) that was me on the bridge issue... or maybe it was when I said suicide was selfish... IDK, but we had a go at it didn't we? Sorry about all that btw.

ok, carry on.

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"Shitty relationships mystify me." ~ mike 09/22/2012

"I'm back. You're Welcome." ~ Kenny Powers

Submitted by girlfromipanema on Tue, 11/20/2012 - 6:31pm.

You are very right. I started talking to my daughter about her body and sex when she was very young. I told her to use the proper names for genitalia (which sometimes led to an embarrassing sitch or two when she said themin public). I was never shy or had a problem openly talking to her about sex or anything like that.

I was molested as a child, so I have finely tuned molester-dar. Basically, I trust no one. I don't trust someone who is so keenly into kids. I think more parents should trust their instincts. If you don't trust someone, they SHOULD NOT be around your kid.

I ddn't let my daughter do sleepovers much. She didn't get to go to friends' homes unless I knew mom and dad, and I mean well. I probably was overprotective, but it's better that way than for me to catch a charge for killing a molester.

Whamo, what are the freakin odds I'd be sitting there IN HIS waiting room and there's his picture up in the left hand corner of the news?? THAT day and time?
It was so surreal, and if I had been home, I wouldnt have been watching the news, it would have been on nickelodeon or something.
Either my son has one heck of a guardian angel, or I'm on point as a mom, or really lucky.

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