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Within Reason, thanks, doll! I'm renaming you "The Voice of Reason". ;)

Agnostic1, so sorry what you have had to go through!

Anonymouse, Agnostic 1 and anyone who knows first-hand what drugs do, I don't try to figure out the motivations of others. Maybe it's someone wanting to disturb, who knows. Try not to take it personally - as for name-calling, ya, I have no time for that bs. ((Hugs)) and forget people like that. ;)

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Submitted by Anonymouse73 on Sat, 09/29/2012 - 11:34pm.
Agnostic1 and WithinReason...thank you.
Someone doesn't stop being a person and suddenly become an object just b/c he or she is an addict. Has this person always been 100% honest? Nope. However, I will defend him to the death, b/c I love him and I know that it's not "him" who would do these things (if that makes sense), but his physical NEED for a substance that causes him to toss morals to the wayside. It must be hell, really. He's a good kid. Who fucked up. He's *extremely* bright and has always been a kind, giving, gentle, *hard working* person. So, no, he is not on assistance and doesn't lay around in an opium den all day or something. Like functional alcoholics, there are functional addicts. Some people you would never know...
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Anonymouse: My ex was a meth addict and he absolutely destroyed me emotionally with his scary as hell rages while on that shit so I'm not exactly defending a loved one BUT our daughters do love him and I hate it when people shit on addicts who have tried to stop but cannot. Anyway since he's been clean and we've been divorced I've really come to have a degree of disdain for the "AA Approach" not only for the reasons I previously mentioned but because they do encourage addicts to distance themselves from their "enablers". (I was far from one but, whatever) My ex too was a functioning addict, he worked, we'd sit down to dinner, he'd play with our girls, change diapers, etc. So for the first 3-4 years of our marriage I honestly had NO IDEA that he was even using. I just thought he had a really, really bad temper, it took his 1st arrest for possession for me to find out about his problem, it spiraled out of control from there, testing dirty, being sent to prison, being released clean only to fall into the same patterns within months. I have seen first hand how meth changed him it was frightening. Almost Jekill and Hyde type of transformation, I worked for one of the country's most prestigious Universities in the Psych department where they had a methamphetamine addiction research grant, having seen the empirical evidence, NO ONE will be able to convince me that it doesn't alter the user's brain chemistry.

PS-I absolutely do not understand the insult-filled replies from Suckitpigs toward me based on my statement that addiction IS a disease and that if untreated, the end result is ultimately DEATH

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Suckitpigs, if you really think that drug use doesn't change the way your brain processes dopamine, watch the frontline documentary on meth, there's quite a bit of science in it, explained by doctors to their students, here is the link
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/meth/

the high you get from meth CANNOT be replicated in nature. it has to be synthesized in a lab. so comparing a meth high to hugging someone is way off the mark. way off.

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" I personally do feel that the AA method of surrendering to a "higher power" and acknowledging that addicts are powerless over their addictions is a cop out because IF an addict wants to stop using, he/she has the POWER to at the very least say "I need help" emphasis on wanting to stop."

I agree. Probably b/c I'm an agnostic, too. ;)

Agnostic1 and WithinReason...thank you.
Someone doesn't stop being a person and suddenly become an object just b/c he or she is an addict. Has this person always been 100% honest? Nope. However, I will defend him to the death, b/c I love him and I know that it's not "him" who would do these things (if that makes sense), but his physical NEED for a substance that causes him to toss morals to the wayside. It must be hell, really. He's a good kid. Who fucked up. He's *extremely* bright and has always been a kind, giving, gentle, *hard working* person. So, no, he is not on assistance and doesn't lay around in an opium den all day or something. Like functional alcoholics, there are functional addicts. Some people you would never know...
Unlike Gummy Bear here with the gaping foot wound. Yeesh.
As for ciggies, going off them has been compared to going off heroin, though I would imagine it's worse the longer you've smoked. Still. Not exactly a walk in the park.

Perhaps my response below was a bit harsh, but those are people's loved ones you're referring to, Pigs. Don't be surprised when you get ripped a new one when you talk smack about them. I'm sorry if you don't believe the scientific FACT that addiction changes ones brain chemistry, but that doesn't stop it from being a fact. As I said, I've worked with not only shrinks, but medical researchers who specialize in addiction. I think I'll trust them over a random stranger on the internet.

There are MANY people who have stopped smoking because cigarettes have become too expensive. They have made a choice to stop based on financial reasons. Some people stop or never start/continue for health reasons. It's a choice.

Agnostic 1, clearly you have made the decision to take responsibility for your daughter and your life, yes? Yes of course. You could have shirked all duties and done whatever you wanted without a care in the world, but you didn't- because you obviously have the good sense to realize that your actions will have a trickling effect onto those who love you and need you. I will vehemently disagree with you when it comes to addiction being a disease. I have had an alcoholic in my family and have seen first hand what it does to families.

Addiction is a choice. To say addiction is a representative of brain changes in the brain is absurd. Everything we do changes the signals in our brain. Does that make everything an addiction then? We get a hug from someone, that releases dopamine. Does that mean we're all of a sudden addicted to hugs? I mean I like hugs, I like them a lot- doesn't mean I need a hug 24/7 (though some may say otherwise considering my responses!). Doing drugs releases dopamine--- Everything we do, eat, breathe, feel etc is related to dopamine, does that mean we are addicted because dopamine is released and our brain changes? No.

Substance abuse is a choice. The disease theory is a copout theory to allow abusers to make excuses and put blame on something else, other than own up to responsibility. Citing addiction as a disease, is just another way to make money for these 12 step groups. Most substance abusers will tell you that they made poor life choices, and it's not because of some "Addiction disease".

Obviously kids do not go in thinking they will be hooked to the drug, but they do go KNOWING the dangers of trying illicit substances. Knowledge is everywhere; drug problems/programs are up the creek in public/private schools

Submitted by suckitpigs on Sat, 09/29/2012 - 1:35am.
First of all, I made a comment about Jason Davis, and then someone has the audacity to compare the insidiousness of addiction to cancer?!? Forgive me for finding that far-fetched and ridiculous. It's as asinine as that bitch Kim Kardashian claiming to understand what a cancer patient goes through. BITCH PLEASE!

Generalizations have some fucking merit to them. You're an idiot otherwise if you don't see it. ADDICTS CAUSE THIS SHIT UPON THEMSELVES. People don't go out in search of having a terminal disease. People wake up and decide to smoke, drink, shoot up. How obtuse are you to not understand the difference?

Addicts destroy not only their lives and everyone elses lives associated with it. I had an alcoholic in my family. So I'm definitely not making a blanket statement based on shit.

Haha, some of you are such idiots.
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That you call people who just won't conform to your POV obtuse is rather amusing considering that you're being quite obtuse in your absolute assertions that addiction is not a disease and that addicts bring their misfortune upon themselves. I will for the sake of those who like my daughters love a (former) drug addict, attempt to clarify my statement that the end result of untreated addiction is the same as that of cancer. Also, for the sake of full disclosure I'll tell you that I watched my great grandmother waste away, and die an agonizing death due to pancreatic cancer, so I am not at all flippant about the cruelty of that disease.
As I'm sure you are aware, people who smoke tend to get lung cancer, they know this from the moment they open a pack, yet millions of smokers will not stop simply because they cannot. No matter how high they are taxed, no matter how many smoking cessation medical aids are available to them, many smokers continue to smoke even after being diagnosed with mouth, throat or lung cancer. Likewise with tanning: The populace at large are aware that it causes skin cancer, yet millions continue to expose their skin to the sun or to tanning beds. Do you hold the same contempt for such people?

Do you really believe that a 17 or 19 year old trying meth or coke at a party is intentionally setting himself or herself up for a lifetime of addiction? There are people who can just try drugs, others cannot and become addicted, physically and mentally and even if their life and health is in complete shambles THEY CANNOT STOP USING! I personally do feel that the AA method of surrendering to a "higher power" and acknowledging that addicts are powerless over their addictions is a cop out because IF an addict wants to stop using, he/she has the POWER to at the very least say "I need help" emphasis on wanting to stop. Sadly addiction is extremely insidious and not many succeed in freeing themselves of said addiction no matter how much they might want to stop. In the end the result of untreated or unsuccessful addiction is still death, and I'll just leave it at that.

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Oh EverystrangersEyes, that's how addiction starts! You're silly... I like you! :)

It's only a matter if time before he has his first body part amputated.

He and his brother are entitled assholes and addicts. It's hard to be sympathetic towards them.

Ahhh, they let the derps out at all hours of the day it seems.

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Submitted by suckitpigs on Sat, 09/29/2012 - 1:35am.

now, now... there's no need for name calling... you seem upset... valium?

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Submitted by suckitpigs on Sat, 09/29/2012 - 1:35am.

Well, some generalizations have some fucking merit to them. Others are just empty generalizations.

First of all, I made a comment about Jason Davis, and then someone has the audacity to compare the insidiousness of addiction to cancer?!? Forgive me for finding that far-fetched and ridiculous. It's as asinine as that bitch Kim Kardashian claiming to understand what a cancer patient goes through. BITCH PLEASE!

Generalizations have some fucking merit to them. You're an idiot otherwise if you don't see it. ADDICTS CAUSE THIS SHIT UPON THEMSELVES. People don't go out in search of having a terminal disease. People wake up and decide to smoke, drink, shoot up. How obtuse are you to not understand the difference?

Addicts destroy not only their lives and everyone elses lives associated with it. I had an alcoholic in my family. So I'm definitely not making a blanket statement based on shit.

Haha, some of you are such idiots.

Submitted by EveryStrangersEyes on Sat, 09/29/2012 - 12:33am.

so, what you're saying is that you don't want a cig after your complete generalisation of people's lives that you have absolutely no idea about to make blanket statements... yeah, you are a trooper... i envy you in every possible way.

Submitted by EveryStrangersEyes on Sat, 09/29/2012 - 12:56am.
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Submitted by WithinReason... on Sat, 09/29/2012 - 12:48am.

i would put it in the OP, but... really?... lets face it... when have i given a dookie about on-topic?... hell, it's almost fitting, i gather...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDAttqJ3qcg

come, be an irreputable, useless, worthless junkie with me!

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Laughing with ya ESE. Must be the answer... And here I was thinking thank goodness MK didn't show those sores again! Lol, Cheers to ya! :)

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Submitted by WithinReason... on Sat, 09/29/2012 - 12:40am.
Me too ESE. In every way.
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sometimes some things are just too funny, ya know?

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Me too ESE. In every way.

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Anonymouse73, Agnostic 1 & others, anyone who's seen the ravages that drugs cause on addicts also knows it's one of the hardest things a family can experience. No matter why they started once they're in the grips of addiction it usually ruins lives. Only those who've been through it really know. :(

To smug, yeah whatever.

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Submitted by suckitpigs on Sat, 09/29/2012 - 12:24am.
It is that's why I'm not a drug addict. :)
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so, what you're saying is that you don't want a cig after your complete generalisation of people's lives that you have absolutely no idea about to make blanket statements... yeah, you are a trooper... i envy you in every possible way.

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"I could listen to a babbling brook,
and hear a song that I could understand.
I keep wishing it could be that way.
Because my world would be a Wonderland."

It is that's why I'm not a drug addict. :)

I have empathy for the loved ones of addicts. It's a hard, hard thing to have an addicted loved one, and it really, REALLY sucks.

On the one hand, you love the person. You WANT them to be healthy and kick that addiction. On the other hand, that loved one has lied, stolen, put others at risk, is risking themselves, and lies right to your face to obtain cash or things to "trade" for drugs.

It's a shitty deal all the way around.

Thank you, parissucks. I haven't seen the Oily Oil Heir lately, and at first I thought this was him.

Submitted by suckitpigs on Sat, 09/29/2012 - 12:10am.

you're silly, i like you... it must be so comforting to have everything so figured out.

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Agnostic, no one's chasing you off this site. I don't get where you make that assertion from my comment. But your aforementioned comparison of the two is just blatantly ridiculous. I had an alcoholic in my family and it was his fault. He's dead now and that's his own fault for losing his life at an early age.

Anonymouse 73 wants me to fuck off because I spoke the truth. Drug addicts are pathetic selfish assholes that think only of themselves and nothing else. As I have stated previously- it's their choice to do drugs. People don't come into this world with an addiction do they? Somewhere along the road they decide they need to do something to give them a high because their bored or depressed with their life, or "no one cares about me" blah blah. Yeah... good reason to fuck your life up.

We have a drug problem because losers like Anonymouse73's sibling wants drugs to abuse and creates a demand for them.

Submitted by suckitpigs on Fri, 09/28/2012 - 8:59pm.
Agnostic 1 said this " Addiction is as insidious as cancer, left untreated the end result is the same"

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME??? Get the fuck outta here with that shit. It is not the same. ADDICTS CHOOSE TO DO THE DRUG. CANCER PATIENTS DON"T DECIDE TO GET CANCER. You're an absolute fucking retard for comparing the two.
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People don't decide to become Alcoholics or Drug Addicts. There are people who can drink and not become alcoholics. Same with drug addicts. I stand by my statement having lived with an addict for a decade, if addicts don't get help they too die. Insulting me or my intellect won't chase me off this site or make me change my mind. I've been called much worse things by my now sober ex. Have a nice day

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"Drug addicts are losers because they contribute nothing to society. All they do is commit acts of crimes, or leech off of govt assistance and do drugs. "

Seriously fuck the fuck off.

Psychologists, psychiatrists, and counselors are the biggest frauds out there. The science behind half these mental health problems is not properly understood. So don't give me this mumbo jumbo about addiction being a real disease. Addiction is the fault of assholes who decide to do drugs knowing the full dangers that come along. We aren't living in an age where information isn't at our fingertips.

No one puts a gun to an addicts head to try drugs. They do it on their own voilition-- wake up and be realistic. Sorry, I'm not buying this bitchass answer of addiction being on the same level of disease as that of cancer, an ACTUAL disease that no one asks for. Addiction is caused by people who start using. Nothing esoteric about that.

Drug addicts are losers because they contribute nothing to society. All they do is commit acts of crimes, or leech off of govt assistance and do drugs. The people that actually need assistance are shamed because of these asshole drug addicts.

Ofcourse you're going to defend an addict when you're family member is one.

"I don't get envious of rich people; I've seen money ruin people. I'm happy poor."

Same here.

As for addiction being a disease, it doesn't matter if you think it is or not: it is. It actually alters your brain chemistry. I used to work in a psych. dept. w. world-renowned experts in addictions...eating disorders...whathaveyou. After a certain point, it no longer becomes a "choice". Heroin is highly physically addicting and going off it is painful.

This guy may be a greasy slimeball w. no manners, but I wouldn't wish heroin addiction on anyone.
I have a recovering heroin addict in my family and he is not a loser, a horrible person, or anything else anyone has said about addicts in this thread.

Agnostic 1 said this " Addiction is as insidious as cancer, left untreated the end result is the same"

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME??? Get the fuck outta here with that shit. It is not the same. ADDICTS CHOOSE TO DO THE DRUG. CANCER PATIENTS DON"T DECIDE TO GET CANCER. You're an absolute fucking retard for comparing the two.

Do the world a favor and shut up and bleed.

Cankles anyone?

Do the world a favor and shut up and bleed.

Thank You MK but I could have gone without seeing those nasty pics again.

Wasn't his brother the one humping Mischa Barton at one time? Whatever happened to those losers?

Sans fards and Agnostic, thank you for the hugs. : ) My son went to prison also for testing dirty. California is so nuts in some of the drug sentencing all I can do is shake my head.

It is frustrating to see Lohan and the others get away with crap. Nothing will be done to her until she kills someone, but she will probably STILL get a slap on the wrist.

Submitted by SANS FARDS on Fri, 09/28/2012

It's like the case with Blohan continually skating away with no punishment for her actions...if you're a celebrity, the rules don't apply. Just fork over a few extra benjamins, and the staff will probably look the other way.

I hope your son's doing OK. (hugs)
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Lohan's case really gets to me for personal reasons, my ex-husband had to go to STATE PRISON after violating his probation, not for committing a new crime, but for testing dirty. The first one got him a warning, the second one got him sent to a sober house and the third one got him taken straight from court to county jail and then to State Prison. THAT IS THE LAW IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA! Lohan should have been sent to do prison time for violating her probation by committing new crimes. My empathy to everyone who's ever had to suffer the hell of seeing a loved one go through the hell that is addiction
OT-This guy is going to die because NO ONE cares about him, and he makes it extremely difficult to feel an ounce of sympathy.

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Submitted by julianna63 on Fri, 09/28/2012 - 2:58pm.

I just don't understand how he can be in a sober house and keep using.

My son is in rehab, and they test them all of the time. One dirty test is all you get, second time and you're out.

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It's like the case with Blohan continually skating away with no punishment for her actions...if you're a celebrity, the rules don't apply. Just fork over a few extra benjamins, and the staff will probably look the other way.

I hope your son's doing OK. (hugs)

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Submitted by P.T.Bull on Tue, 09/25/2012 - 10:33pm.

"This bitch is crazier than a pillowcase full of clear-level scientologist possums."

Addiction is a cunt. I am well acquainted with self destructive people who have caring families and who had decent upbringings but who choose to abandon their families, sleep with bums, spend everything they earn on drugs and whore for money. There's no explaining it.

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"You wait. They gonna get everybody on twitter, facebook, doing everythin' online and then they gonna pull the PLUG and we all gonna be FUCKED!"

I just don't understand how he can be in a sober house and keep using.

My son is in rehab, and they test them all of the time. One dirty test is all you get, second time and you're out.

Gosh, some of you have really golden hearts, feeling sympathy for drug addicts. I wish I could be that compassionate. He and people like him are very destructive to society, and I'd rather save my tears for people who deserve it, with actual nature-induced illnesses and misfortune. Not for an overindulged, spoiled rotten bastard. He is ugly both on the outside and inside.

Submitted by Hekki on Fri, 09/28/2012 - 6:55am.
He's never getting better because no one cares about him. And he doesn't care about anyone. That's the only reason people ever recover from addiction. IMO. And even then it doesn't always work.

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I saw him on celebrity rehab. Honestly he wasn't a complete ass the whole time and you saw glimpses of an incredibly sad individual. I'm sure there is a lot to his story but it does seem that no one really cares(d) for him.. With that being said is there no one at all who can help institutionalize this one.. he needs long term help..

Didn't he suffer from a flesh eating disease as well? Holy Christ, if it wasn't for the D i wouldn't even know who this guy is.

'We are responsible for what we do unless we are celebrities.'

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I thought the same thing! You can't mess with sores like that and have diabetes. He will be an amputee soon if he keeps that up.

Fucking sad. Like @fredfred I can't hate on someone so pathetic. Yeah he's got shitloads of money, but look at him. What a miserable way to live (and die). Addiction is a disease (I know, I'm off the shit right now but I know I'll always be an addict), and rich, privileged assholes get diseases they can't beat sometimes too.

Maybe if they actually PUNISHED people like Gummi, Hohan, that Amanda person by giving them real jail time, they might wake up and get real help. Until that happens, I have no sympathy for these entitled douchebags who feel they can do whatever they want (because they can!).

It worked for Robert Downey Jr., but then again, he has true talent and is a decent human being.

Lisbet: I hear you.

As a person whose only problem is lack of money, I often look at people and think their lives are great because they have lots of it. Like, whatever problem you have can be alleviated if you have money.

But apparently that's not so. It's a great tool, but it doesn't fix everything. Cold comfort.

Suzy: Fingers crossed for you. Diabetes can be controlled and, dare I say reversed, with a good diet. It's good you're getting it checked, because a lot of hidden damage can be done before anyone realizes. Good luck!

I wondered how we could have a fat heroine addict but I guess the diabetes explains that one.

Speaking of diabetes, I've had my second fasting test this morning after my glucose levels were found to have skyrocketed after routine testing. Out of the blue after being normal just a few months ago. If it turns out I have something hideous in common with this guy...ugh.

i have much empathy for addicts. this guy obviously hates himself and wants to die. that's why he continues with dope and behaves like a cretin. desperate for attention he has never gotten and wants to kill himself but has chosen a slow way to do so. it's pathetic and sad and, unfortunately, happening to millions.

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