Grandma's Coming Home (UPDATE: Katherine's Out, TJ's In)

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I find this family to be somewhat odd.

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"She's Black & I'm Gay--- we create culture."

Glad kids were appointed new guardian, now Katherine can go back to Arizona spa for some much needed rest.

Let's not peddle the fable that the Big Bad Wolf named Michael Jackson huffed and puffed and blew down the pristine, saintly chapel that Sir Paul McCartney built. Both are shrewd businessmen, and McCartney was not conned or robbed. He was not averse to the millions that Jackson waved in front of him for the Beatles catalogue. I don't know Michael Jackson the way some of you seem to, but I do think that he must have been doing something right to have made certain business decisions that still allowed for the executors to pay off the estate's debts and still have hundreds of millions left over.

It is becoming more obvious with each stunt queen shit that happens with this case that Michael Jackson should have given those kids to Bubbles.

You can now bear to look at your family in all its glorious dysfunction....With the Jackson 148 drama, your drama ain't even in the ballpark.

This thing is a real mess and the whole family is to blame .The brothers and their extended families deserve NOTHING, Michael had already been supporting the since the act broke up and why should they get more> the certainly could have fou8nd someway of making a living without bothering Michael.
What every debts are left should be paid and the rest of the money should be divided amongst the three kids, What they decide to do is their own business.

The rest of y;ll, get out of the mansion, get your own places and GET A JOB.I understand that a few firefighter positions might be available.

Submitted by ProfessorVP on Thu, 07/26/2012 - 1:46am.
I'm sorry, I just have a hard time believing that if it were just ordinary folk- without millions of dollars and dozens of noses- that a hospital would cooperate in such a scam. Let's say a white couple went to the hospital and the woman gave birth to a dark, black baby. Would the white husband even bother signing off that he is the father? Would the hospital not question him if he did? For one thing, no one would really know officially the medical history of the real father, including blood type, diseases, hereditary disorders that might need to be addressed later. For another thing, it's just effin' weird. We know MJ had a problem with being black, and passing off these white kids as his is too silly for words, but is sad, not funny.
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Color/Race does not matter, if a man chooses to sign on as the father of the child, especially if the mother does not object to it. It's a legal/personal matter and unless there is a reason to believe that the man in question may harm the child, it's really not the hospitals business who signs the certificate, but of the consenting mother.At the time of both children's births he was married to Debbie Rowe for 1, well atleast for one of them he was. Also it is infact more common than you think,and no, you don't have to be millionaires or even married to do it. I have a friend who is dating a girl, and at the time she was pregnant, with another guy's child, and my friend knew about this, but he loved this girl, and essentially said he was taking this child on as his on. at the baby's birth, he signed the certs as the child's father. And this person is in no way, shape or form rich.

I don't understand this is a scam, I know Michael is weird, , but really, it's not that weird at all. infertile couples use surrogates. It's not that out there, and uncommon. Some people can not have kids, and therefore, thats the route they take. It's only seen as weird because it's Michael Jackson.
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"What if all you understand could fit into the center of a hand? And then you found it wasn't you, who held the sum of everything you knew?"

There is nothing confusing about this situation at all. Michael Jackson left all his money in trust to his children and named his mother as their guardian. His brothers and sisters, who leeched off of him in life, now want to leech off his children, but are prevented from doing so by an obviously iron-clad trust. So now they must resort to kidnapping, coercion, lies, obfuscation and bullying to try to get their mother declared incompetent and their hands on the kids and that money.

It's simple and very obvious. I hope to God MJ's lawyers have enough ammo to save those kids from the obvious machinations of the rest of the Jackson family, whose money-hungry motives are crystal clear.

I'm sorry, I just have a hard time believing that if it were just ordinary folk- without millions of dollars and dozens of noses- that a hospital would cooperate in such a scam. Let's say a white couple went to the hospital and the woman gave birth to a dark, black baby. Would the white husband even bother signing off that he is the father? Would the hospital not question him if he did? For one thing, no one would really know officially the medical history of the real father, including blood type, diseases, hereditary disorders that might need to be addressed later. For another thing, it's just effin' weird. We know MJ had a problem with being black, and passing off these white kids as his is too silly for words, but is sad, not funny.

The fk is going on with this family??? Just had a break to quick read some headlines and, damn, the shit had hit the wind turbine with them, didn't it?? MJ can't rest in life; and his legacy and kids and estate can't rest therafter. What a damn mess. Somebody better get their shit together for the sake of logic and dignity and the kids, ffs. Damnit

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Submitted by ProfessorVP on Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:25pm.
Listen, when I got a dog from my local shelter a few years ago, I had to pay a fee, it was called an adoption, I had to make certain promises, and sign off on it. (I am glad I did.)

Can anyone tell me why these kids are called "Michael Jackson's children" when there is absolutely no evidence they are either biologically related or legally adopted? And please don't bother telling me that in a certain light, at a certain angle, and when they smile, or sneeze, or fart... oh yes... look carefully... there is a resemblance.

If it were just ordinary folks, protective services would have stepped in right after the balcony fiasco, if not sooner.
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He didn't have to go through adoption. He signed the birth certificates right off the bat at the time of all three of their births stating he was the father. So therefore in the eyes of the law, he was legally responsible for and seen as their father. Whether or not, they are biologically his is irrelevant. He accepted them both legally and emotionally as HIS children AND he was recognized BY THEM as their father. If it wasn't for Michael Jackson, those kids wouldn't even exist because he technically payed Debbie Rowe and whomever Blankie's mammi is to have them for him.

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"What if all you understand could fit into the center of a hand? And then you found it wasn't you, who held the sum of everything you knew?"

The two older children were born during a marriage, he is named as the father on the birth certificate. As far as the law is concerned he is the father.

BTW birth certificates have a section where a husband can dispute paternity.

As for the youngest child, if his name is on the birth certificate and MJ didn't dispute it and no other man has stepped up he's the father no adoption necessary.

I think Grandpa pimp was dipping into the funds, the the kids knew he was getting over grandma. Hell no, they weren't going to let him skim the fortune. Grandpa Joe pimp is behind the drugs and security guards. Grandpa Joe pimp strikes again. Good thing the Jackson kids are on the ball. TJ and gang want to skim, so Grandpa Joe will have to strike back. Check.

it's not about the childrens welfare; it's about their inheritance and who's gonna get it;
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Submitted by ProfessorVP on Wed, 07/25/2012 - 10:25pm.
Listen, when I got a dog from my local shelter a few years ago, I had to pay a fee, it was called an adoption, I had to make certain promises, and sign off on it. (I am glad I did.)

Can anyone tell me why these kids are called "Michael Jackson's children" when there is absolutely no evidence they are either biologically related or legally adopted? And please don't bother telling me that in a certain light, at a certain angle, and when they smile, or sneeze, or fart... oh yes... look carefully... there is a resemblance.

If it were just ordinary folks, protective services would have stepped in right after the balcony fiasco, if not sooner.
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Doesn't matter if they are biologically his or not. They are his children. If you adopt a child are they not your child? When you introduce the kid do you say this is my adoptee or do you say this is my child?

Listen, when I got a dog from my local shelter a few years ago, I had to pay a fee, it was called an adoption, I had to make certain promises, and sign off on it. (I am glad I did.)

Can anyone tell me why these kids are called "Michael Jackson's children" when there is absolutely no evidence they are either biologically related or legally adopted? And please don't bother telling me that in a certain light, at a certain angle, and when they smile, or sneeze, or fart... oh yes... look carefully... there is a resemblance.

If it were just ordinary folks, protective services would have stepped in right after the balcony fiasco, if not sooner.

Submitted by misslainey on Wed, 07/25/2012 - 9:35pm.

Word. It all makes sense, to me anyhow. Why else would Katherine up and leave 'the kids' without letting them know where she was? Sounds to me like she was dealing with an abusive and stressful situation ... I can just imagine it.

Break out the popcorn!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSb7mlz7Hag

This story is just...I can't. Those kids will never trust anyone but each other.

And SHAME on Janet. STFD and go gain all that weight back, bitch.

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Submitted by Evil_Cupcake on Wed, 07/25/2012 - 9:42pm.
I have an idea that since she essentially left those kids with staff, admitted to leaving w/out telling them, and also admitted to needing to "get away", the courts may not ever grant her guardianship again. Maybe co-guardianship with TJ, but that old lady done fucked up, because any parent doing the same thing would be in jail right now.
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Agreed. But that might be a good thing because she is 82 and that is too old to be caring for kids. Hell, I'm 44 and glad as hell my daughter is almost 21. I do not want to be bothered with any more kids. Plus, weren't there like a billion people living there like Randy's & Jermaine's shared wife and assorted kids? Mama K. just wanted to get the fuck out to hear her own damn thoughts. In that respect, I am not mad at her.

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I have an idea that since she essentially left those kids with staff, admitted to leaving w/out telling them, and also admitted to needing to "get away", the courts may not ever grant her guardianship again. Maybe co-guardianship with TJ, but that old lady done fucked up, because any parent doing the same thing would be in jail right now.

Submitted by misslainey on Wed, 07/25/2012 - 9:35pm.
That version sounds more or less like the truth, and that's what would've happened if this had been my family.
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Mine too! You are not going to sass Grandma.

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If Janet is involved, then there is something going on behind the scenes. The only time we hear from her is when she is discussing her weight. The situation is confusing!

(973) Jersey Strong

Submitted by Kandykane on Wed, 07/25/2012 - 9:14pm.

Hmm, so what had happened was, Paris started smellin' herself (as my mom would say) and got to thinking she was grown in all that, and Mama K couldn't take switch to her behind, so she said "I'm leavin' all y'all asses here 'cause you workin' my last tee-nontchie nerve--and don't call me, neither."

So, then Paris got all womanish and started tweeting the family business, so Janet said, "Mama K. might not could've put a foot up your ass, but I'mma show you what's what." then a fight ensued. Then good TJ stepped in and whisked the kids away.

That version sounds more or less like the truth, and that's what would've happened if this had been my family. So yeah, I can totally buy this version, too. Somewhere between the two is the truth.

If the Estate is paying Trent and the security people Katherine can't fire them, they don't work for her. I seriously doubt that the children's attorney (GAL) is going to allow Janet to dictate who provides security.

Bourgie, Temporary Orders don't work that way. Katherine has lost custody. She and her lawyers will have to petition the court to get it back. Which means the Judge could (should) get her and the kids in Chambers to tell all sides of the story and then a decision will be made. Just the fact that she didn't show up for the hearing is going to work against her. What is sad is that she is going to have to make a choice between protecting her children or protecting her grandchildren.

As for getting $ from Michael's estate -the only money that anyone other than the children can get their hands on are the allowances (Katherine's and the children's). The principle is protected. If, as has been reported the estate is about to start turning a profit Katherine's allowance (not the what she's given as the children's caretaker) could be going way up.

http://www.chicagonewsreport.com/2012/07/whats-really-going-on-with-kath...

'Michael Jackson's adopted and paid-for kids were terrorizing Kate', said one source.

Paris in particular is extremely belligerent and refuses to abide by her aging grandmother's rules', said the informant. "She (Paris) isn't the little angel everyone thinks she is."

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Ah ha. Just as I thought. I knew it had to be something like this for Janet to get involved the way she has, especially the alleged slap in the driveway. The way Debbie Rowe the Second stomps off is very illuminating. Me thinks PJ be a lil bitch, high on the idea of Michael Jackson being her daddy.. dream on.

I don't know why but I'd love to just pop that little wiener Blanket right in the face. What's he gonna do? Fight back? Ha ha ha nooooo!

Submitted by misslainey on Wed, 07/25/2012 - 8:50pm.

According to the proprietors of the Las Vegas shops that Michael went shopping in while being filmed for "Living with Michael Jackson", that shopping spree was all for show. When they tried to collect money for the purchases, which had been stowed away awaiting payment, Michael either cancelled the purchases or ignored the phone calls requesting payment. He never actually took delivery of any of that stuff. LOL

He was financially treading water at that time and the ensuing child molestation allegations and trial (Arvizo) just put him under.

Submitted by miz cynical on Wed, 07/25/2012 - 9:02pm.
Boredasfuckyo: yeah, Bubbles, a pack of wolves, Dlisters...all of these options would prove to be better guardians or parents to the kids than these worthless shits!
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Well with the kind of gumption Paris is proving to have, I'd say she'd be perfect on the D! Hahaha! We can all group raise the Jackson kids.

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"What if all you understand could fit into the center of a hand? And then you found it wasn't you, who held the sum of everything you knew?"

Boredasfuckyo: yeah, Bubbles, a pack of wolves, Dlisters...all of these options would prove to be better guardians or parents to the kids than these worthless shits!

Submitted by misslainey on Wed, 07/25/2012 - 8:37pm.
Submitted by boredasfuckyo on Wed, 07/25/2012 - 7:12pm.
Submitted by misslainey on Wed, 07/25/2012 - 6:09pm.
Submitted by Deb on Wed, 07/25/2012 - 3:06pm.
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Look, I'm not saying MJ was a bad person for making bad money decisions--hell, I make 'em all the time, but what I am saying is he wasn't some altruistic saint. Sure, he gave money to charities, but he still had a problem with greed, or avarice, or simply, the bitch loved money. I mean, if the way he did Paul McCartney doesn't illustrate my point, well, nothing will.

My real point is that Michael was not much different than his family--he just handled his money a teeny bit better. If the tables were turned and it had been Jermaine who rose to super stardom (which is how it started out), we'd be calling MJ a greedy, under bucket bottom feeder who'd sell his mama's soul for cold hard cash. But that's just my opinion. Love ya anyway :)
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You can't say that definitively. Also, I am not in any way, shape or form trying to paint Michael as a saint. I know he wasn't. He made shitty mistakes and thought because he was Michael Jackson he was untouchable, however, It was blatantly clear at least to me, that yea, Michael Jackson was screwed up, but there was a clear distincition between Michael and his family. So much so that he wanted to get the fuck away from them. And I truly do not believe that his motive to get the fuck faaaar away, had solely to do with money. He left because of how he was treated and how greedy his brothers were. He even stated in one of the interviews even at that present time, as a grown ass man and away from his family, that he still feared the fuck out of his father, and never referred to Joe to as "father" or dad or anything, but as "Joseph", to me, that's waaaay more than money motivation. I think if the situation was swapped, he'd still have gone the fuck away from their crazy asses because of how fucked up they were, and the emotional abuse he suffered at the hands of Joe and Katherine(Yes I said it, she abused her chirruns too! Lets be fuckin real)I don't think Michael would have went after Jermaine if Jermaine were the successful one, and anyway that idea is moot, simply because that's a hypothesis at best and not the reality of the situation, and as EC has pointed out, don't even get me started on the beatles on all the under-handed shit they've done when it comes to business AND music, and this is coming from an actual beatles fan. As stated, PM ain't no saint, and neither was John Lennon's horrid ass.

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"What if all you understand could fit into the center of a hand? And then you found it wasn't you, who held the sum of everything you knew?"

http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/25/joe-jackson-squatter-michael-jackson-estat...

That made me LOL!

@MissLainey- Yes, the love of money is a bitch and those that are crooked always get theirs.

Submitted by Kandykane on Wed, 07/25/2012 - 8:41pm.

You're right, he sure did. I guess that's what happens when you buy a few $50k urns, lol.

Submitted by Evil_Cupcake on Wed, 07/25/2012 - 8:39pm.

True, very true. Karma is kind of a bitch. Not to get all preachy, but the bible says that the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, so there you go.

Everyone likes to think of Michael Jackson as an 'astute businessman' but the reality is that he was terrible with money. He died half a billion dollars in debt. John Branca is the reason for MJ's purchase of Sony/ATV and, by the end, MJ had mortgaged most of it. He almost lost that song catalog completely, more than once.

Submitted by misslainey on Wed, 07/25/2012 - 8:37pm.

Sorry to interject here, but Paul McCartney ain't no saint either. Read up on some of his activities screwing people on money. He got just like what he gave to others.

Submitted by bridgjones on Wed, 07/25/2012 - 8:18pm.
Submitted by misslainey on Wed, 07/25/2012 - 7:56pm.

I didn't see a time stamp. And she really wasn't playing. You could barely see her.
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Right? When I saw that pic, I was like this is some Weekend at Bernie's shit. I did think Mama Kat was dead and they propped her up to the table.

Submitted by boredasfuckyo on Wed, 07/25/2012 - 7:12pm.
Submitted by misslainey on Wed, 07/25/2012 - 6:09pm.
Submitted by Deb on Wed, 07/25/2012 - 3:06pm.
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Look, I'm not saying MJ was a bad person for making bad money decisions--hell, I make 'em all the time, but what I am saying is he wasn't some altruistic saint. Sure, he gave money to charities, but he still had a problem with greed, or avarice, or simply, the bitch loved money. I mean, if the way he did Paul McCartney doesn't illustrate my point, well, nothing will.

My real point is that Michael was not much different than his family--he just handled his money a teeny bit better. If the tables were turned and it had been Jermaine who rose to super stardom (which is how it started out), we'd be calling MJ a greedy, under bucket bottom feeder who'd sell his mama's soul for cold hard cash. But that's just my opinion. Love ya anyway :)

Submitted by misslainey on Wed, 07/25/2012 - 7:56pm.

I didn't see a time stamp. And she really wasn't playing. You could barely see her.

What about Webbster? Is he not avaliable? Can't these kids just all hide out in Michael's old Oxygen tank until they're of age?

We all knew that being who their parent was, that at some point everyone was gonna be watching whether these kids were well-adjusted and if they were gonna sink or swim, UNFORTUNATELY... it looks like these kids are gonna have to prove what they are made of ALOT SOONER with all these shenanigens, it looks like the only outspoken one with any sort of a spine out of that bunch is Paris. I hope her brother, PM grows some balls and works with her to get the fuck out of there and take little MicroFiber with them.

Honestly this is where some of Michael Jackson's ingrained Paranoia within his kids would pay off right about now.

Atleast with this out in the open if something were to happen to one of those kids, all side-eyes would be on everyone in that fucked up family, and they'd be facing prison time, much less zero chances at getting Michaels money. I think Paris is a hell of a lot smarter than just being some "smart mouth brat" like Aunt Janet is making her out to be.

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Submitted by bridgjones on Wed, 07/25/2012 - 7:34pm.

Sounds reasonable. But if she had a stroke--mini or otherwise, her ass should not have been at Rebbie's playing Uno! My father and grandmother both had strokes and they were out of pocket for awhile.

Headlock, cut lip, smashed nose, bruised ego, missing family matriarch and cancelled trips to the plastic surgeon. This is the made for tv good shxt we all dream about.

Oh dear if only Diana Ross could find the courage to step up and become everyone's favorite surrogate nanny and dole giver....Don't you wish you all could have $500 million to squabble over too?

http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2012/07/janet-jackson-slaps-niece-paris-...

Those Jackson kids need to give Liesel Pritzker a call:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liesel_Pritzker_Simmons#Lawsuit

Shiz has gotten serious. I feel bad for these kids. I would think that at this point the oldest could file for emancipation. Janet Jackson really comes across badly - doesn't she have her own money?

Sounded drugged on the phone?

Mother Jackson got treated like shit by Joe in early adulthood, and now she's getting treated like shit by her kids in late adulthood. I'm thinking Micheal spent a lot of time protecting his mom from the leeches when he got old enough to call the shots in that family. Sad.

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Taking crazy things seriously is a serious waste of time."
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I can barely follow this mess, but I always wondered why they didn't just make Janet the executor from the start because she already has tons of money and likely experience in managing tons of money. She also was closest to Michael and has the least incentive to try and con the money away from the kids since she has her own.

My take. KJ is not drugged up. She probably did have a stroke and the slowed speech is the aftermath. The greedy slugs don't want this known, or they lose the money Mommy gives them to stay away out of her cut. They don't want her to lose custody. They probably wanted to take the kids to AZ and show them and scare them into thinking Lord knows what.

OH SHIT Papa Joe rolled in.

Submitted by misslainey on Wed, 07/25/2012 - 6:09pm.
Submitted by Deb on Wed, 07/25/2012 - 3:06pm.

Deb, so gladnyou said this because I could not agree more! That documentary that Bashir did showed MJ just spending money on dumb shit like $40,000 urns. So, yeah, he was greedy, too. He grew up poor, and like a lot of poor people who suddenly come into money, didn't know how to handle it. He was fairly shrewd (and ruthless, considering how he cozied up to McCartney and then blindsided him buying the Beatle's catalog), but if he hadn't wasted his money on dumb shit, he woud've been richer.

I think for as talented as he was, he was more the benefactor of luck than anything else. He came at the right time.
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Michael Jackson made poor financial decisions with HIS money. Let's be real, Michael Jackson was a tempermental child in a man's body, and his brain was working at half-mast, and he just so happen to be extremely famous and constantly had people in awe of him, which worked against him. They may have even found his naivety refreshing, who knows. But he didn't fight anyone over any one elses will, or try to keep anyone else's children out of their own parents will. He also didn't go leaching off of his brothers for money. Michael Jackson just fucked up his own money and didn't know how to handle his finances. He also donated to a lot of charities as well. Does this negate responsibility because he had all these problems? Ultimately the mismanagement of his funds was his fault,but he did have people around whom he paid to make informed decisions on his behalf, and they didn't,wither that or Michael was just unrelenting. It's very unfortunate when people like Michael Jackson, whom it was clear was very talented, but like Brittany probably needed a conversatorship type deal. Michael Jackson was a very weird/lonely/lost individual, with a very warped sense of entitlement and reality, BUT I do not think you can label his so-called greed in the same vein as his siblings. NO WAY! Not by a LOOOOOOOONG shot!

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