Saturday, November 12th 2011

Jay-Z's Got 99 Problems But An OWS Protester Ain't One

With a golden child of infinite light who only eats canary diamonds and only wears baby wigs fronted with lace imported from France on the way, Jay-Z has to hustle harder for that money since the billions of dollars he has in the bank surely isn't enough. Jay-Z's lips are extra chapped today, because of all the heat his ass is getting for selling Occupy Wall Street t-shirts through Rocawear and donating a grand total of ZERO dollars to the movement. The Occupy Wallet Movement: That's how the 1% stays in the 1%!

The Wall Street Journal says that after many complained that Jay-Z is filling his pockets with money from a movement he didn't help to create, the t-shirts were pulled off of Rocawear's website. Before pulling the t-shirts, Rocawear confirmed to Gawker that they ain't giving shit to those OWS bitches:

The 'Occupy All Streets' T shirt was created in support of the 'Occupy Wall Street' movement. Rocawear strongly encourages all forms of constructive expression, whether it be artistic, political or social. 'Occupy All Streets' is our way of reminding people that there is change to be made everywhere, not just on Wall Street. At this time we have not made an official commitment to monetarily support the movement.

The most surprising thing about this is that Rocawear still exists (and yet Cross Colors only exists in Europe today, shame). The second most surprising thing about this is that Pimp Mama Kris didn't come up with it first. That sound you hear of a wet steak slowly sliding off of a wall is Pimp Mama Kris's new face falling off after she punched herself in the head over not coming up with this shit before Jay-Z.

The "While You're Locked Out Of The NBA, Okkupy Kardashian" t-shirt..... What could've been, what could've been....

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I don't know why anyone is surprised that Jay-Z did this. I mean from what I have heard he does take advantage of any situation he can find, including his wife. As for Occupy Wallstreet, I think these kids need to get back to school and stop wasting their parent's money.

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Submitted by Allessandra on Mon, 11/14/2011 - 8:22am. ...

Thanks for your kind words, Allessandra. "One day at a time" is my motto. :-)

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Submitted by MrrKat on Mon, 11/14/2011 - 8:06am

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Hey, also orangebellas post to wich you replied was ment for me, Im pretty sure. See my post below... I just wanted to point it out, especially because of the hipocrisy bit, think she ment me.

I didnt wonder wether you were male or female just wnated to know why "we" hope you were male! You got chickens and cats?? One part of me envies that, living on a farm being sort of self suficient.

Well MrrKat, keep up your work and please stay so interested in education and dont loose your passion for it. Give the asshole student´s more chances, maybe they need more of a push? Or maybe you just didnt get to them yet. The only proffessor I ever liked, was my english one, but I had a mild crush on him.

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@ Bjork, SDR, Allessandra, Vidz, UBF, and other kind folks who posted last night long after I left:

I'm honored that you're thinking I'm Mr. Mercury, but I'm not. (Bless him, wherever he may be! I miss him too.) As SDR recalled from our open post convo a few months ago, I'm female, raise chickens, and live in Georgia with a bunch of cats & a few dogs among the chickens.

Thanks, Allessandra, for your sweet words (and everyone else's, too). Sorry I didn't respond at the time; was too busy composing a measured reply to other posters' questions. Last night found me working like mad on a graduate project. And re: OrangeBella's reply: Oh, OK, that makes sense if she was replying to you but got screen names mixed up in the process. I *do* see a lot of people (not just college students) using words incorrectly, so it wasn't at all surprising to me that she seemed to have used hypocrite to mean something it doesn't.

My avie: That's Mario Cipollina, former Huey Lewis & the News bassist, in his "vampire" costume from the group's "Heart & Soul" video. I was obsessed with HLN in junior high and high school. :-P

And Mr. Mercury, if you're reading this...we miss you!

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Submitted by MrrKat on Sun, 11/13/2011 - 1:37pm.

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I'm not sure how come you're saying that my statements are hypocritical. I don't think I'm espousing any beliefs I don't actually hold; I don't think my actions belie my beliefs.

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MrrKat!!! I could be wrong but I think orangebella was responding to me.
I think so because it was my post she quoted. Your post was in there because she responded to my response to you... if that makes sense.

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Submitted by MrrKat on Sun, 11/13/2011 - 1:37pm.

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Great MrrKat probably missed my post where I reply to his/her post, its on the other page. I even declared him fav Dlister.

BTW, why do we hope its a he??

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Word!!

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ubmitted by Allessandra on Sun, 11/13/2011 - 5:05am.

Submitted by LisaRose on Sun, 11/13/2011 - 5:00am.

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I was thinking just that the other day, it sucks how actors get paid millions for starring in a movie and they are treated like gods. Thats why I like Disted, here celebs are not worshiped but shown as the sometimes flawed and petty assholes that they are.
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YUP.

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Conservatives/traditionalists/conformists/fundamentalists can suck my ass

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@SDR

No clue. I had an inkling Mr Kat might be female. Guess it was just wishful thinking? But you're prolly right.

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Submitted by Bjork You on Sun, 11/13/2011 - 8:54pm.
Submitted by vidz on Sun, 11/13/2011 - 8:47pm.
@bjork

YESS!! It was the avie and the really genteel way of speaking.

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Well, we will speak to Mr. MrrKat with the underlying hope that he is Mr. Mercury!

vidz, I'm out of this thread, a dancing loon is here, and she has no rhythm.
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I would love to think MrrKat was Mr. Merc but I don't think so. When SHE first showed up, we had a chat about growing our own food, butchering, the state of commercially processed eggs. She's on the East Coast, from what I remember. Maybe Georgia? I thought Mr. Mercury was in Vegas, correct? It would be nice if Mercury returned but I don't think MrrKat is him...unless he moved and had a sex change.

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@bjorkyou

New loon? Or same old crazy? Am doing the ever important work of collating the copyrights tracking list. Peace out.

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Submitted by vidz on Sun, 11/13/2011 - 8:47pm.
@bjork

YESS!! It was the avie and the really genteel way of speaking.

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Well, we will speak to Mr. MrrKat with the underlying hope that he is Mr. Mercury!

vidz, I'm out of this thread, a dancing loon is here, and she has no rhythm.

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Mr. Merc was a college professor. Just sayin..;-)

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Submitted by vidz on Sun, 11/13/2011 - 8:47pm.

@bjork

YESS!! It was the avie and the really genteel way of speaking.
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Funny, vidz, I was thinking that earlier as I read through one of the posts. I got nostalgic for our lovely Mr. Merc. He, too, is a professor, so it made me wonder.

Mr. Merc, wherever you are, you are deeply missed.

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@bjork

YESS!! It was the avie and the really genteel way of speaking.

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Submitted by Tyroan

OWS is already bigger than the teaparty... except by weight

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Untrue statement and wishful thinking.

If OWS was bigger than the Teaparty, Obummer's poll numbers would be increasing, instead of further sliding into the toilet.

The Prez has an exit problem and is bogged down in an OWS quagmire.

His endorsement of the demonstrations have backfired in his face...especially since there have been rapes and killings.

OWS just like the Teaparty...my ass.

Every single day America associates the Dems with vermin. Please, stay in all those parks around the country, right up to next November.

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Submitted by vidz on Sun, 11/13/2011 - 8:16pm.
MrrKat,

I think you might be my new favorite dlister. Also, I have to ask, are you by chance, the reincarnation our late, great, MR Mercury?

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Ha, ha, I almost thought so, too, because of the avie. I don't remember Mr. Mercury's profession, just his mustache and Pee Wee's Playhouse home.

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Socialism always FAILS because everyone wants to be lazy and work the least possible hours which makes a society eventually collapse upon itself. Look and France/Italy/Greece...all of their lazy asses are going to bring the whole WORLD economy down because those mofos thought they should only have to work (loosely) 30 hour weeks and have extensive vacays and retire by 50 and not make babies to sustain their selfishness.

Now the baby boomers are experiencing their own greed backfiring in their faces in 'merica and it's pathetic.

The 'protesters' are slobs and scum of the earth, rapists, murderers and druggies who leave their encampments in complete disarray.

When the horrible, racist, scum-bag 'tea partiers' left a place, they often left it CLEANER than when they came there.

Hmmmmmmmmm.

Sorry, but, scum is SCUM.

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MrrKat,

I think you might be my new favorite dlister. Also, I have to ask, are you by chance, the reincarnation our late, great, MR Mercury?

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Submitted by 18thCenturyFox on Sun, 11/13/2011 - 5:36pm.
@ Event Horizon
I agree with a lot of what you've said re:OWS, but have you ever taught students of any age? I feel like teaching is one of the most criticized and least understood professions. I encourage my students that generally have the most disruptive behavior, barring diagnosis of ADHD or appropriately calibrated material, to spend a period teaching the class. I help them prepare, make an outline of their goals, create activities and learn about how critical time management is. I often feel this activity should be extended to most people who fail to see the true dynamics and challenges of any modern day classroom. Of course I also think everyone should have to work retail and food service, so that's just me.

18thCFox, that is a great idea! It's been years since I had students give presentations of any kind, and I'd never thought to ask them to teach part of a class period. Wow! I take it you've had success with it. Does it ever backfire?

And I agree: Everyone should work food service or retail at some point in their lives. I've worked both, and always make an extra effort to be kind to the people who work those thankless jobs.

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What goes around comes around a lot more quickly these days.

If Jay-Z wants to profit from a movement he doesn't support, it's very easy for me and other people involved in the Occupy movement to download his music without paying for it (and I'm usually a stickler about paying for music and movies).

I'm very superficial, I hate everything official.

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OWS is already bigger than the teaparty... except by weight.

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18thCenturyFox, I have been saying that for years! That everyone should have to serve 6 months in Food service, so they will know how fucking difficult it can be, and maybe they will have some respect for people who work there.

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Submitted by 18thCenturyFox on Sun, 11/13/2011 - 5:36pm.
Of course I also think everyone should have to work retail and food service, so that's just me.
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@ Event Horizon

I agree with a lot of what you've said re:OWS, but have you ever taught students of any age? I feel like teaching is one of the most criticized and least understood professions. I encourage my students that generally have the most disruptive behavior, barring diagnosis of ADHD or appropriately calibrated material, to spend a period teaching the class. I help them prepare, make an outline of their goals, create activities and learn about how critical time management is. I often feel this activity should be extended to most people who fail to see the true dynamics and challenges of any modern day classroom. Of course I also think everyone should have to work retail and food service, so that's just me.

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Submitted by Event Horizon on Sun, 11/13/2011 - 3:12pm.
Mrrkat-

My problem isn't with young adults who can't or won't apply themselves to their full potential in English. My problem isn't that kids aren't as passionate about English as you claim to be. My problem is that because they don't live up to whatever standards you've set in your English class, you're trying to devalue them as humans. My problem is that someone who calls themselves a caring teacher is ok with giving up on students who she believes are destined for failure. What bothers me is that you're trying to paint the students of today as dimwits and failures without giving an example of a time when most students were bright and all winners.

If everyone is uninterested and motivated in your classroom, maybe it's you that's the problem and not them.

See I've been a student in many a classroom, some subjects I was passionate about and would have been interested in even if a dead man was teaching the class, others weren't as cool as I thought it would be so i didn't do so well. Other subjects I thought were gonna be totally lame but the way in which the teacher presented the material changed my perspective on the subject and made it actually enjoyable.

I'm passionate about higher education and if there are remarkable, innovative, exemplary people to be found...you're going to find them in the universities around this nation and I'm not so quick to believe these young people are content with meritocracy and narcissistic endeavors because that's not what I experienced at all in my college experience.

EventHorizon, you are one of the students I would love to have in my classroom. Once in a while, I get a student like you. Seems that you're fired up about learning, and enjoy/enjoyed your college courses. You put 100% into them because you cared, and because you could see when a professor cared enough to share his/her enthusiasm with you. I'm very thankful for people like you.

Indeed, a great and passionate teacher can really turn around a course for students who may expect it to be boring. I've been a student in several of those, myself. But I've noticed in 14 years of teaching that students *have* to meet me halfway. If they aren't fired up, then there's not much I can do. Without their also being committed to the intellectual journey we're taking together....well, I can walk in every day with lit sparklers on my nipples, and it won't make a difference. They, too, have to be motivated.

Students and the discussions they create are often the difference between a "meh" class and a great class. I can show them the path, show them how important good writing is, show them that a life of the mind is worthwhile...but I can't make them walk the path, or think as I do. They have to come to that on their own.

I change how I teach and what I do nearly every semester, looking for something that works. Sometimes it works; others, it doesn't. If I didn't care, I'd quit trying. But as I said in an earlier post, I get so tired of not being able to reach them all. I meet a lot of resistance, despite the fact my job is to help students improve their writing.

You suggest above that "because they don't live up to whatever standards [I've] set in [my] English class, [I'm] trying to devalue them as humans." I disagree. I'm not saying they're worthless as human beings. What I am saying is that they're generally unmotivated and self-absorbed, looking for "a good grade" and frequently not taking into account that their high schools simply haven't prepared them to earn the kind of grades they think they "deserve." (And I hear many say they "deserve" grades...not "earn" them. We all "deserve" to win the lottery, but that doesn't amount to much.)
College students can still be basically nice and easy to get along with, and at the same time self-centered and apathetic. My students aren't bad people. They just don't care about much. :-(

Long ago, I'd never have thought I'd see students this way. It grieves my heart; that's why I'm doing my best to find another career path, one that doesn't involve teaching. Someone once defined burnout as "doing the same thing over and over again, and never getting to do anything different," and I see some accuracy in that definition. My students, semester after semester, are in the same place on their intellectual journey; I see the same thing term after term, and meet much of the same resistance. (Example: "My high school teachers said I was an awesome writer!" Then how come you're making all these typos that render your paper practically incomprehensible? Lots of conversations like that, bless their hearts.)

I guess what I'm trying to say is...how much more beyond my ALL do you think I should give? Because that's what breaks my heart more than anything else: I've spent the last 14 years doing what I love, trying to share my passion with others, pedal-to-the-metal, all-out, hair-on-fire passionate teaching...but I see very little progress come of all my efforts. How much more than one's all can one give? I live my passion; I demonstrate it every day for my students. If they're still not moved by that (and the 72 different ways I try to change things up to reach them), then what else can I do? How long can/should a person last when their efforts are often rebuffed, dismissed, thwarted?

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Tango - no probs. Feel better soon. Nyquil does the trick but it makes you a little loopy when it wears off.

and I have to say I am marginally a Redskins fan (I live in DC) so I guess I should technically hate the Cowboys and Romo, but the Redskins year after year find some way to fuck up monumentally and throw away their season. But their fans keep coming back for more, like gluttons for punishment. I don't understand it...lol

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Submitted by Luvs2tango Too soon for Jay-Z to come out with a Penn State t-shirt?

So what the heck are the OWS demands?

Here is the OWS list of demands that Jay-Z endorses as he bangs Beyonce on his private jet, while all those little white people live in lice infested tents:

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Thank you for posting these. Good points made by lots of posters, in favor of and criticizing OWS.

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I'm under the weather today.

fyi: My Nyquil has kicked in and I'm in no shape for a rational or a deranged discussion.

Tony Romo of Dallas Cowboys was firing on all cylinders this afternoon, so it's been a good day today in Texas.

Will chat again.

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Submitted by Event Horizon on Sun, 11/13/2011 - 3:12pm.
I'm passionate about higher education and if there are remarkable, innovative, exemplary people to be found...

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...we are sure to drive them away by stealing their pensions, snatching up their union benefits and making them pay for the privilege of teaching 35 hungry kids in a classroom with a leaky roof.

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Why are all you youngins' getting involved with all this junior high squabbling over social/political/economic problems in this country?

And as far as the two political parties are concerned - There ain't a dime's worth of difference between the two.

Now let's get back to why we come to this place of sanctuary --- and that's to trash idiot celebrities.

And just remember, the only real injustice in this world are those scary avitars SpiceDong uses!!!

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Mrrkat-

My problem isn't with young adults who can't or won't apply themselves to their full potential in English. My problem isn't that kids aren't as passionate about English as you claim to be. My problem is that because they don't live up to whatever standards you've set in your English class, you're trying to devalue them as humans. My problem is that someone who calls themselves a caring teacher is ok with giving up on students who she believes are destined for failure. What bothers me is that you're trying to paint the students of today as dimwits and failures without giving an example of a time when most students were bright and all winners.

If everyone is uninterested and motivated in your classroom, maybe it's you that's the problem and not them.

See I've been a student in many a classroom, some subjects I was passionate about and would have been interested in even if a dead man was teaching the class, others weren't as cool as I thought it would be so i didn't do so well. Other subjects I thought were gonna be totally lame but the way in which the teacher presented the material changed my perspective on the subject and made it actually enjoyable.

I'm passionate about higher education and if there are remarkable, innovative, exemplary people to be found...you're going to find them in the universities around this nation and I'm not so quick to believe these young people are content with meritocracy and narcissistic endeavors because that's not what I experienced at all in my college experience.

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Submitted by Luvs2tango on Sun, 11/13/2011 - 10:45am.
Too soon for Jay-Z to come out with a Penn State t-shirt?

So what the heck are the OWS demands?

Here is the OWS list of demands that Jay-Z endorses as he bangs Beyonce on his private jet, while all those little white people live in lice infested tents:

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Thank you for posting these. Good points made by lots of posters, in favor of and criticizing OWS.

I have no argument with #2, but if this were instituted, expect to see a drop in the groundbreaking new experimental treatments as research dollars dry up, though. But maybe that's the price we'll have to pay for providing equal insurance to everyone...the innovations in treatment are going to start to come from somewhere else (probably China or India). And maybe that is an acceptable tradeoff; that's something we as a society have to decide. If a single-payer system were instituted, I think we would see the added benefit of less age discrimination in the workplace (because the employer doesn't have an incentive to shun the employees who are likely to soak up more health care dollars).

#8 is just stupid and #9 is even stupider. Blatant racial pandering and identity politics. If we as a nation got serious about cracking down on illegal immigration, the unemployment rate would go down so fast it would make your head spin (hint: jail their employers).

#10, 5, 6 and half of #1 sound somewhat reasonable. I am not an economist so I can't comment on free trade, but we should get the best engineering minds in the business focused on getting us off of foreign oil.

#4. No. As I said before, if you end government subsidization of student loans, the skyrocketing tuition problem will correct itself.

#11. Yeah, okay.

#13. I am not opposed to unions, in theory. What I AM opposed to is the unbelievable graft and thuggery that some unions engage in to keep up their outrageous pension and entitlements off the backs of the taxpayers. Google the Long Island Railroad disability scam...unfuckingbelievable. I hope OWS was just as outraged about this as they are about Wall Street. Greed is greed.

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Submitted by Event Horizon on Sun, 11/13/2011 - 1:29pm.
The MO of conservatives imo is to undermine the educated, the young and the less fortunate. To perpetuate an idea that society is heading from prosperity to destruction because of the youth and the poor. The person who has nothing but contempt for adolescents although they're a juvenile parole officer or contempt for old people even though you work in a nursing home is a conservative. They always try and validate these dangerous beliefs based on anecdotal evidence and see no reason to work to modify their own behavior in response to the unsatisfactory behavior they see around them. They it's the parents eventhough they've never said word one to most of their students parents. They say it's the educational system although they haven't read an aticle or seen anything to validate that belief. An uncaring teacher or callous parole officer can be far more harmful to society than anyting....

I see what you're saying, EventHorizon. And I care very deeply about my students and their education. That's what makes my job so difficult; I care, and the people in my classes often don't. If I didn't give a crap--if careful thinking, reading, and writing weren't so important to me; if I didn't think the young folks in my classes *could* one day make a difference in the world--then I'd be doing just fine. Alas, I care too deeply.

As I said before, teachers can do only so much. I can do only so much for mostly middle-class young people, for whom college was a natural assumption--for many of my students there was never any question in their families' minds whether they'd attend college.

I give everything I have...often to no avail. Ask anyone whose work is dismissed, unheeded, devalued (i.e., lots of teachers at all levels), and they may tell you the same thing. I've made a difference for as many as I can. Like most people, I get tired after a while of beating my head against a wall.

And also as I said before, this issue is many-layered, and doesn't lend itself well to simple solutions.

**Edited for typos--sorry! Trying to set a good example, even if none of my students ever visit Dlisted. :-)

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Well said Professor Mr. Kat, well said.

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Submitted by orangebella on Sun, 11/13/2011 - 11:16am.

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I am a 23 yr.old conservative female who is currently attending college. So what you are saying is that by free thinking only then is one able to progress throughout life. Well, I happen to think for myself and do not agree with what so many of the liberal college professors are shoving down students throats. So am I not progressing in life because I do not agree with what the majority of what is being taught in colleges? Colleges are truly biased, and I have had to fake having liberal ideals just so I could pass a class. How fucking pathetic is that? How is that fair to me? Life isn't fair and I have learned that, but what you are saying is pretty hypocritical.

I hear where you're coming from, OrangeBella. How come you felt as if you had to fake having liberal-type ideas? What most profs are after is for you to really question your belief system, examine why & how you came to think that way, and that way you truly know the foundation on which you build your belief system. (And yes, there are a few who want folks to believe exactly as they do, which is beyond awful...but there are people like that of *every* political stripe. When everyone thinks alike, nobody thinks, as the old saying goes.)

I know when students are saying what they think I'll like; they tend not to be able to discuss their fake ideas in depth. Oooh, I get *so* angry when a student isn't truly thinking/examining their beliefs, but is just mouthing what they think I want to hear. That's not at all what a real college education is about.

I find it funny that you wrote above, "So what you are saying is that by free thinking only then is one able to progress throughout life." Well, yes. Wouldn't you agree? You seem to have thought for yourself and decided that you land on the conservative side of the fence. Good for you! It's nice to see a college student who's done some thinking for herself and carefully examined her beliefs. The way you word it, though, makes it sound as if you're saying you *don't* think freely. But it's obvious that you do think for yourself.

You also write above, "Well, I happen to think for myself and do not agree with what so many of the liberal college professors are shoving down students throats." Thank heavens that you don't agree! Were you able to articulately voice your ideas to your profs? I'm excited when a student is well-informed, whatever his/her view might be. "Can you argue your position well?" is what I want to know. Your best prep is to be well-read and well-spoken re: conservative viewpoints. Have you read anything by William Safire, William F. Buckley Jr., Shelby Steele, or Pres. Dwight Eisenhower? I ask because their work forms some of the foundation of conservatism. It also helps to carefully read so-called "liberal" authors. if you don't think carefully, annotate, and ask questions of different viewpoints--and if you don't stop and imagine for a few minutes, "OK, what if there's a good point here?"--then of course you'll feel trampled upon.

So many students--sometimes up to 85% of a class, in my experience--simply espouse their parents' conservatism without having truly had any life experiences. (I know it sounds strange, but most college students lean to the right of apathetic; quite a few are Young Republicans.) And it's cool for their parents to lean right; they're in their 40s and up, have had kids, had jobs, started a business or two, and so on. But their kids? I always want to see that the kids aren't just saying what they always heard Mom & Dad say. So that's why I'm glad you can take a side.

I also noticed that you say above that "what [I am] you are saying is pretty hypocritical." What do you mean by this? Here's the definition of hypocrite, from Dictionary.com (URL: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hypocrite):

1.
a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.

2.
a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

I'm not sure how come you're saying that my statements are hypocritical. I don't think I'm espousing any beliefs I don't actually hold; I don't think my actions belie my beliefs. Shoot, I'm trying to stick as best I can to teaching my students that YES, critical thinking/reading/writing are important, and strong writing skills are important...but it's certainly hard to do that when it seems as if my life's work/passion is lost on my students. It gets pretty depressing sometimes.

BUT, if we go by the above definition, your pretending to have liberal views in order to pass a class is hypocritical. While I'm not a student at your school, my guess is that your profs would be elated to see a conservative student who's well-informed and reads widely so he/she has an intelligent basis from which to argue. It's really sad that they were fooled into believing that you actually held their same beliefs...and as I said before, it's sad that there are people *everywhere* who think other folks should think just as they do.

It may not seem like it, but the college classroom (for most of us) is the *only* time we'll ever be exposed to so-called "liberal" or "progressive" points of view. I know that may sound like crap, but it's often true. American society and media are pretty conservative, hyper-attuned to liberal bias while letting conservative bias slide. I know, you're saying, "WTF? Liberal media," and I used to say the same thing too. That is, until I really began listening to/reading the junk we're served up. If media were actually liberal, we'd have had national healthcare 40 years ago, and Pres. Bush wouldn't have had a chance in the 2000 election fiasco.

Media are in the biz to make money, not to espouse progressive ideas. So anything you hear/view that might seem "liberal," take a very close look at it. Everything we see on "news" is recreated in some way; there are hundreds of angles to every issue, and someone chooses what footage to show, what details/blurbs to include or leave out, what sounds bites to put on the air. Lately I've noticed that the things I see are the kind of stuff to raise the ire of "red-blooded Americans"--pay attention to the language the writers use. (I can direct you to some articles on charged/slanted language, if you'd like.)

Thanks again for your comments, OrangeBella. I'm SO glad you're politically aware. Make sure you're a sharp, well-read, well-spoken conservative, and you do your views (and civil public discourse) a world of good. :-) Your profs--the good ones, anyway!--want to see that you're thinking critically, whatever your view may be.

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The MO of conservatives imo is to undermine the educated, the young and the less fortunate. To perpetuate an idea that society is heading from prosperity to destruction because of the youth and the poor. The person who has nothing but contempt for adolescents although they're a juvenile parole officer or contempt for old people even though you work in a nursing home is a conservative. They always try and validate these dangerous beliefs based on anecdotal evidence and see no reason to work to modify their own behavior in response to the unsatisfactory behavior they see around them. They it's the parents eventhough they've never said word one to most of their students parents. They say it's the educational system although they haven't read an aticle or seen anything to validate that belief. An uncaring teacher or callous parole officer can be far more harmful to society than anyting....

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Submitted by shandi on Sun, 11/13/2011 - 12:31pm.
Submitted by Bjork You on Sat, 11/12/2011 - 11:14pm.

If they got rid of that ridiculous tax break for Bloomberg and his friends, there would probably be enough money to cover the cost of the overtime pay of cops.

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By "they" you mean the politicians. So why occupy Wall Street? Again, occupy Washington DC because THAT is where the politicians gather, right? Protest against the politicians that are making things easier for the rich and harder for the middle class. Trust me, the rich won't give up their fortunes and tax loopholes because people are sitting outisde in some park.

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It;s very expensive to run for office, even local ones. Where do you think these politicians get their money? How are PACs funded?

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Submitted by oh dave on Sun, 11/13/2011 - 1:03pm.
hard to tell whether some of you are trolling...

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I'm not a troll, I just have ugly bumps on my nose, unfortunately. Oh, and that bridge thing...

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Yup. This is how the 1% stay in the 1%. Jay Z would jump on any cause as long as it puts money in his greedy pockets.

Submitted by Allessandra on Sun, 11/13/2011 - 1:00pm.

I know, people DO get offended when you correct them on that.

I am appreciative when someone nicely points out something I am saying, pronouncing, using incorrectly. I would rather that instead of sounding dumber than I already do.

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hard to tell whether some of you are trolling...

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Submitted by Evil_Cupcake on Sun, 11/13/2011 - 11:25am.

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ahahahaa, same here!!! I soo hate when people say I could care less, when they actually mean the exact opposite, arrrrr. And when you correct people on it they hate and then you are the asshole etc..

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Submitted by orangebella on Sun, 11/13/2011 - 11:16am.

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Conservatism promotes tradition and mostly rejects new ways. In the very meaning of Conservation wich comes from latin meaning preserve.

I have a hard time believing what you said about having to pretend that you are liberal, to get into a class or pass or whatever, liberalism means and stands for people being able to make their own decision´s, it is very, well... LIBERAL wich also comes from latin and means something along the lines of free/freedom/liberty. Now of course not every liberal is living by this rules, but what you said is indeed hard to believe.

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Submitted by Bjork You on Sat, 11/12/2011 - 11:14pm.

If they got rid of that ridiculous tax break for Bloomberg and his friends, there would probably be enough money to cover the cost of the overtime pay of cops.

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By "they" you mean the politicians. So why occupy Wall Street? Again, occupy Washington DC because THAT is where the politicians gather, right? Protest against the politicians that are making things easier for the rich and harder for the middle class. Trust me, the rich won't give up their fortunes and tax loopholes because people are sitting outisde in some park.

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"If you have ever wondered what would happen in a society consisting entirely of Liberals, the Occupier movement is providing the answer.."

Hmmmm...it all sounds good to me, actually!

If you're going to dream, dream big! Why not!?

I have to call bullshit on the post about OWS putting mom and pop stores in the area out of business. That claim doesn't even make sense. A. OWS participants are shopping at these stores since they're right there B. tourists are in the area b/c they want to see the protests, ergo they will probably shop at these stores C. I know for a FACT that restaurants in the area are seeing a big uptick in business due to people there having to EAT. I had something delivered to them, actually, when I would never have ordered from a pizza shop in NYC otherwise.
If you're going to complain about Mom and Pop stores being put out of business, look at WALMART.

THANKS to whoever posted the Rolling Stone article....I posted it on Facebook.

Here in Chicago our clearing house, MF Global, declared bankruptcy on Halloween Monday. WE ARE FUCKED!!!! No pay this month as all our funds are being withheld by the trustee. Thanks fucking Jon Corzine....I beg he burn in hell for betting the house on sovereign debt. (AND all his other fuck ups). WHERE ARE OUR $600 MILLION IN MOTHER FUCKING CUSTOMER FUNDS MOTHER FUCKER??? I will personally assassinate the mother fucking former Goldman Sachs Walking Debt piece of shit!

Our Board of Trade bldg. is surrounded by OWS people, and I love them!

My degree from Northwestern University is doing me NO GOOD 'cause there aren't any fucking jobs, and I have an excellent resume. OH, got the degree working full time and taking advantage of one of the benefits: 100% tuition reimbursement. My parents were too selfish to help AT ALL financially (still are), so I worked all day, went to school at night, and did homework on my lunch time and weekends.

Dean's List.

One of the smartest things I ever did.

I fully support OWS, and really, thank you for posting the Rolling Stone article....fab read!!!

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Submitted by mudtutle on Sun, 11/13/2011 - 9:28am.
Submitted by MrrKat on Sun, 11/13/2011 - 8:06am.

YES to everything you said. All of it. The majority of today's college students could care less because they have been raised to think that they DESERVE to be handed any and everything that they want.

---Pls forgive me but I can't resist. The (frequently fucked up) term is: "couldn't care less".

If they could care less then they still give a shit innit eh?

*grins smartarsedly*

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THANK YOU!

It is a small thing, but it drives me nuts.

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Submitted by Allessandra on Sun, 11/13/2011 - 9:23am.
Submitted by MrrKat on Sun, 11/13/2011 - 8:06am.
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So, I love what you do, I love what you wrote. Jeez, I think you are my fav Dlister now.

Education should be, the most important thing for parents and kids right after love. Free thinking and individual ideas, are necessary for preogression. I guess that´s one of the many reasons why I HATE conseravtives they dont want new ideas they dont even want people to be in a position to question and therefor have new ideas.

Im SO glad about the Occupy Wall street movement, I think it is very important to stand up for your beliefs and if you see things arent balanced and fair to get outthere and do something.

This is how rights have been achieved , pretty much by people standing up, protesting. Thats how Democracy can exist, probably thats how its been born. If you look alone at the revolutions recently that have changed those people lifes.

The OWS gave me new hope, and Im glad that is started in America.

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I am a 23 yr.old conservative female who is currently attending college. So what you are saying is that by free thinking only then is one able to progress throughout life. Well, I happen to think for myself and do not agree with what so many of the liberal college professors are shoving down students throats. So am I not progressing in life because I do not agree with what the majority of what is being taught in colleges? Colleges are truly biased, and I have had to fake having liberal ideals just so I could pass a class. How fucking pathetic is that? How is that fair to me? Life isn't fair and I have learned that, but what you are saying is pretty hypocritical.

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