This Is Some Parent Trap Shit
Kelsey and Camille Grammer's custody fight has taken a turn for the gross. TMZ posted a document from Kelsey Grammer's lawyer to Camille Grammer's lawyer proposing that they solve their custody issues by splitting the kids up like property! Kelsey wants to draw a line between his 6-year-old son Jude and his 9-year-old daughter Mason, leaving his son on his side. Kelsey wants to enroll Jude in a private school in Chicago and leave Mason with Camille in California. What a wonderful and healthy solution, said absolutely fucking no one except Kelsey.
This mess started last month when Kelsey tried to get physical custody of both chirruns, because he says Camille was making it difficult for him to see them. Camille denies it and blames their issues on him living in Chicago with his child wife. After weeks of trying to work things out, Kelsey pulled the idea of dividing the kids up out of his asshole. Camille has since filed for physical custody, because she doesn't want to split Mason and Jude up.
Kelsey's rep didn't exactly deny it to TMZ, but said this: "Despite the fact that those connected with Camille Grammer seem to be hand delivering confidential documents to TMZ and other media outlets, we will continue not to make public statements about their private matters which can and apparently does beg for misinterpretation."
Oh, Kelsey, the future Sean Penns of the world thank you for giving your daughter daddy issues that will lead her to seek love and acceptance from asshole after asshole.
Why are Kelsey and Camille fighting over this anyway? It's not like they're going to be the ones raising the kids. Camille is too busy protecting Mulan and Kelsey is too busy trying to convince himself that his toddler of a wife is with him for love. Just give sole custody to the 4 nannies and be done with this mess!
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Camille is a vapid, selfish, narcissist and there is something really missing with Kelsey. He's so detached. So basically they both suck. As was already said, the kids need each other for support. When you're going through a shitty childhood you don't want to go it alone. Believe me, me and my siblings commiserated many a time on the craziness of my father. He was nowhere near as bad as these losers. Splitting them up is wrong, even if one of them wants to go with the other parent. They're better together in the long run. I doubt any judge will agree to it.
If anything, their kids need each other just for the moral support to put up with both of these two douchebags.
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Submitted by MickeyHolland on Sat, 06/04/2011 - 12:09am.
Kelsey and this Camille person apparently went to a lot of trouble to have these kids. Now that they do, you would expect them to act less selfishly.
You would--and you would be disappointed. They're arguing over the kids for two reasons: (1) emotional, competitive score-keeping; and (2) child support: whoever has the kids gets to receive or can avoid paying child support.
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Talk about alienating your audience. It's like he's auditioning for the role of a Nazi in 'Sophie's choice'. Kelsey and this Camille person apparently went to a lot of trouble to have these kids. Now that they do, you would expect them to act less selfishly. Those poor little tikes.
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Who are you calling silly cow?
He is only doing this because the girl is old enough to understand what is going on and Camille has poisoned her against Kelsey.
(She didn't go to his child-bride wedding, the little boy did.)
He figures the little girl is lost, if he can get the boy now, he can poison him against CAMILLE.
Ah, the joys of Hollywood divorces.
Tit for tat, at all costs, collateral damage children be damned.
He doesn't even want the boy, he just wants to pretend that he's in his 20's again and start another family with the new victim.
Which would be what, his fifth family? I've lost count.
Maybe if he stopped marrying strippers, whores and goldiggers he might have a lasting relationship.
But that means he'd have to date women closer to his own age, and on his earning level, and that's not going to happen because he'd feel worthless and threatened.
Both of them should be shot.
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Argghh! Even if your ex is beelzebub, you eat dirt to protect the chirruns!!! The babehs should never be used as pawns or weapons or mere fodder for divorce procedures. If your ego is so fragile that you can't accept these simple facts, PLEASE DON'T have chirrens!
*chanting as always*
The kids are doomed however anyone arranges custody. You could argue that the girl, being older, should stay with her established friends in CA. Lots of kids grow up single or go away to school, camp, etc., leaving their siblings at home. Not the end of the world. They can meet up X times a year, say at major holidays.
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Hard for me to hate on Kelsey when you know his background. His whole family was killed in tragic ways. Like a really bad Lifetime movie.
This could be some weird publicity ploy too by Camille. Can't imagine the kids would get split up, but being the youngest and the most tortured, I don't know if that would be such a bad thing.
Kelsey is a self absorbed dickspit. Mason is old enought to write - hope she starts penning a "Daddy Dearest" soon. If only as therapy.
I was Team Kelsey but I can't believe he would contemplate splitting his kids, like this.
It's not about YOU or what you want, you stupid turd, it should be about what's best for your kids.
And besides, he already has a kid at home. He just married her.
*sooo disgusted*
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Wahoo! Use kids as pawns! In 15 years they'll wonder why the kids hate them so much.
I think I threw up a little in my mouth. And also, Kelsey has effectively lost all chances of getting custody of either kid. Nice going.
I know a divorcing couple like this -- the wife, in front of the son and her husband, said she was only interested in custody of the daughter (which she didn't get). Then she wondered why the son bonded so strongly with his stepmother.
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Submitted by angel_i on Fri, 06/03/2011 - 1:20pm.
Submitted by chestybongos on Fri, 06/03/2011 - 1:15pm.
Has pretending to be a psychiatrist for his entire fucking life taught him nothing?
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Haha! He was never a very good pretend psychiatrist...he fucked his patients and spent most of the time at the bar.
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Wait. So you're saying this is not the behavior of a good psychiatrist? *fires shrink*....
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Wiser than King Solomon? Um, the point of the Biblical story was to show how wise King Solomon was -- and his deep understanding of parental love, ideally. That said, my relationship with my sister is one that I would not trade for anything. There are so few people in the world that just understand you, know everything about you, and to whom you have to explain almost nothing. And yes, that's because we get along but also because growing up, everything good or bad, happened to us, together. Still, if this is an unusual situation where the child needs extra attention at home *and* at school, who is to say this is a bad idea. It may not be the ideal decision but it might be better for the child than the alternative. It does look like KG is showing more concern for the younger child but he may be a different sort of kid and he's still in that young, critical stage of development. The girl, at 9 is just a touch older but probably already has her own identity, set of friends, and way of coping with what she considers to be the norm.
Of course he won't go public it will show what a turd he is.
Submitted by JewJewBean on Fri, 06/03/2011 - 3:39pm.
Who repeats kindergartner? All I did was paint and eat glue. Times have changed I guess.
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There are now requirements upon entering Kindergarten. And it's all WORK, with homework. Nothing like what we had.
*jumps off swing in dress*
No wonder so many Hollywood kids are so fucked up.
Who repeats kindergartner? All I did was paint and eat glue. Times have changed I guess.
And, it is possible that his son may want to live with him. But, if he felt Camille was such a horrible mother, why not ask for both? And, how exactly does anyone know how Grammer is with his kids? Nice? Attentive? How do you know this? He could be just as inattentive and cold as Camille? #nobodyknows? #crazyrichpeople
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Grandma Wrinkles will take both children in and teach them how to milk goats.
Maybe Kelsey has male child preference syndrome.
Defintely he is an asshole.
Kelsey seems wiser than Solomon. He's not proposing to cut the children in half.
If Kelsey was my client, I wouldn't deal with him anymore. You never, ever split the children up. NEVER. Most judges won't do it unless the children are teenagers and specifically request to live with one parent. I have a cousin who split her kids like this- she took the daughter, her ex took the son. And surprise! The kids are all fucked up now!
His wife should be disgusted with him. But then again, she probably has no morals considering she was fucking on a married guy.
Submitted by Evil_Cupcake on Fri, 06/03/2011 - 2:27pm.
Okay, Cuppy! I didn't know Kelsey lived in Chicago.
The little girl will spend her whole life thinking her Dad loved her less. And, he does. Kelsey hates women in my opinion. I usually think it's unfair to automatically give the children to the Mom but this guy is an a*shole supreme.
saw this on tmz--lots of commenters said it wasn't that unusual. i thought about it and yeah, maybe it isn't, when kids are in their teens and have some say. i don't think it's right to split up little ones.
and as some have noted, it doesn't seem like he wants actual custody of the boy, he just has a preferred school where he wants to send him. c'mon, if it is some special school for special kids that really is numero uno...maybe. but with their money, there must be a similar status of school actually NEAR a parent!
idk, i know one person who went to boarding school when he was little (and parents not getting along either, though not divorced). he has ISSUES up the ying yang! on the other hand, i probably would have loved going to a boarding school (after, say, 4th grade) to escape my family!
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The only way this would be ok is IF the little boy really wanted to live with Kelsey & the little girl wanted to stay with Camille. But I think they have to be older for that to even be considered.
"as am I..."
True, Kelsey is never around. But which is a worse scenerio?
A parent who lives in the same home, yet never, cooks, helps with homework, or does activities with you?
Or, a parent who is physically absent but attentive and nice when you see him a few times a year?
Neither is acceptable. But I would find the former more painful for the children.
As VegasChick wrote, it is clear Camille spends zero time with her children. Anyone who wached RHOBH knows this.
Maybe, just maybe Kelsey knows Camille is never there for her kids. Maybe he feels that now he isn't working he has time to spend with them.
I have no idea. I only know Camille is a dispicable human being and I cannot stand her. Kelsey is no winner but I don't really have an opinion of him. I never watched Frasier.
I agree that the children should not be seperated. But what if one wants to stay in California, and the other wants to live with Kelsey? None of us know the real story.
Submitted by little_rascal on Fri, 06/03/2011 - 2:23pm.
Rasc, he and his new wife live in CHicago. He and Camille owned a huge home in Malibu, plus they have extensive real estate holdings in L.A.
He has not lived in California since he appeared on Broadway. He is living in Chicago now.
Private school does not necessarily mean boarding school.
I still think he is a fucking prick though.
Okay, peeps, here's a photo of Kelsey Grammar's house in Malibu, CA --->
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Notice address ^^
The thing is, Kelsey wants a custody of his 6 year old son and wants to send his son to a private school in Chicago! Then it has to be a boarding school because it's in a different state. Kelsey doesn't live in Chicago, he lives in Malibu, California.
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Submitted by angel_i on Fri, 06/03/2011 - 2:05pm.
EveryStrangersEyes on Fri, 06/03/2011 - 2:01pm.
Submitted by Sweetas on Fri, 06/03/2011 - 1:57pm.
LMFAO ESE!! I love it when you get all demeaning! Pull my hair!! lol
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i only pull hair if you agree to spankings!!LOL
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"I could listen to a babbling brook,
and hear a song that I could understand.
I keep wishing it could be that way.
Because my world would be a Wonderland."
I will say, however, that boarding school is an excellent choice once the kids are in high school.
EveryStrangersEyes on Fri, 06/03/2011 - 2:01pm.
Submitted by Sweetas on Fri, 06/03/2011 - 1:57pm.
LMFAO ESE!! I love it when you get all demeaning! Pull my hair!! lol
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i only pull hair if you agree to spankings!!LOL
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This reminds me of the story about King Solomon and the women who were fighting over the baby*.
Never thought I'd say this, but Camille needs to get those kids pronto. The fact that Kelsey proposed such a vile "solution" proves that he is an unfit parent.
* King Solomon said they should split the baby down the middle and one woman said okay and the other one said she'd rather let the other woman have the baby than to harm a hair on its head. King Solomon declared that only the REAL mother would give up her baby than see it harmed, so he gave the baby to HER.
I read somewhere that the boy has learning difficulties and had to repeat kindergarten. Maybe it is a special needs school.
I'm going to approach this story from a different angle. What if the child actually would prefer to live with his father?
Did any of you watch RHOB? Camille didn't give two shits about her kids and constantly talked about how grateful she was to have four nannies so she could go do lunches and screw tennis guy Nick.
In the few scenes we saw with Camille and her children, they were stilted and awkward, so maybe there's more to this than Camille's PR machine is letting on. Just sayin.....
Submitted by Sweetas on Fri, 06/03/2011 - 1:57pm.
LMFAO ESE!! I love it when you get all demeaning! Pull my hair!! lol
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i only pull hair if you agree to spankings!!LOL!
HOLY SHIT, I NEED TO GO TO SLEEP!!LOL!!
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"I could listen to a babbling brook,
and hear a song that I could understand.
I keep wishing it could be that way.
Because my world would be a Wonderland."
I doubt it's boarding school. I can't think of one boarding school that's actually in Chicago. It's probably Latin, Parker or Lab. Parker is more artsy, Lab is more academic (where the UChicago professors' kids go -- and where Obama's kids went), and Latin is a lot about money and social status. I would say this sucks for the child, though he would get a good education, but who knows what's behind the reasoning? Perhaps this child in particular needs special time, attention and academic "nurturing" that Beverly Hills, social dilettante Camille is unable, unwilling, or unequipped to provide.
heehee ESE! I guess once it is too big too wear in a sling, or a babyBjorn......
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LMFAO ESE!! I love it when you get all demeaning! Pull my hair!! lol
(((Lucifer))) I'll bet you turned out to be a better person than the "favorite" though.
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Submitted by parissucksliterally on Fri, 06/03/2011 - 1:45pm.
If you are going to ship your kids off at the age of 6 to Boarding school, WHY HAVE KIDS?
If you don't want to RAISE a child, DO NOT HAVE ONE
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"I could listen to a babbling brook,
and hear a song that I could understand.
I keep wishing it could be that way.
Because my world would be a Wonderland."
I missed out on the hood rat evil sister shit because my sister was so much younger than me.
*feels left out*
But once she hit 18 and started down the line of banging my ex's. I felt the sting.
*kciks rocks*
If you are going to ship your kids off at the age of 6 to Boarding school, WHY HAVE KIDS?
If you don't want to RAISE a child, DO NOT HAVE ONE.
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Submitted by EveryStrangersEyes on Fri, 06/03/2011 - 1:39pm.
thank you for knowing how I feel lol *hugs* miss ya
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My friend A. grew up in nearly the same situation. Now he hates rich people and is always busy trying to alienate everyone so that no one's close to him. He def alienated me. He's an asshat. Screw up your own lives, but c'mon - give your kids a chance.
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Oh, Kelsey, the future Sean Penns of the world thank you for giving your daughter daddy issues that will lead her to seek love and acceptance from asshole after asshole.
BWAAHHAAHHAHAA! Can I be one of those assholes? The idea of one of Kelsey Grammer's rich, attention-starved, emotionally battered, famewhoring daughters changing my Depends sounds pretty fucking awesome!
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Submitted by EveryStrangersEyes on Fri, 06/03/2011 - 1:36pm.
Submitted by Momus the Sarcastic on Fri, 06/03/2011 - 1:33pm.
Submitted by EveryStrangersEyes on Fri, 06/03/2011 - 1:15pm.
how much ya wanna bet that they still cash his checks well into their old age though?... celebrity kids, it's a "different" demographic.
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They can still hate him whilst they let him believe that he can "buy" their love.
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sooo, they're gonna hang out with Rod Stewart's kids is what you're saying?... heehee!
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And, Nadia's brood.
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These two deserve each other. I just wish there weren't kids involved.